No, I'm saying that a trained listener is better able to detect artefacts than an untrained listener. And a man playing an instrument is not a trained listener.
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But I'll add that if you did your own scientific subjective testing you'll find that there are quite a lot of very good sounding and cheap products out there. For instance most modern cheap digital equipment is totally transparent.
Without scientific subjective testing, biases and placebo effects take over. And even with scientific subjective testing there is the extremely strong cognitive dissonance humans are subjected to. If you have strong believes science is a b#*%@.
Tattoo, it appears I hear what you don't, because I'd be hard pressed to name several amps in toe up to 50WRMS/8 Ohms class, for example.
Even the lates offerings in the budget class (just above entry level) from revered old names such as Marantz I find to be dull and disinterested. Frankly, I don't care what their scientifically obtained data shows, I believe in MY ears more than in THEIR instruments.
But, let's not waste time in finger pointing, just tell me this: do you think it's possible for a say amp to measure even very well and still sound bland, or to measure just mediocre, yet sound wonderful?
Yes or no, please.
Even the lates offerings in the budget class (just above entry level) from revered old names such as Marantz I find to be dull and disinterested. Frankly, I don't care what their scientifically obtained data shows, I believe in MY ears more than in THEIR instruments.
But, let's not waste time in finger pointing, just tell me this: do you think it's possible for a say amp to measure even very well and still sound bland, or to measure just mediocre, yet sound wonderful?
Yes or no, please.
By market criteria, the manufacturers of deadly weapons are in great shape and doing better all the time.
Demonstrably? If so, then why didn't you demonstrate - your blanket statement that Apple is an audio company is hardly scientific and objective.
Much as it obviously and consistently irritates you, some people do have different opinions. And your word is anything but scientific evidence, your view perhaps and that's fine, but evidence - no way.
It seems we have just descended to the kindergarten level. OK, fine, here it is, especially for you SY:
As "an amp", take anything that delivers up to say 50Wrms into 8 Ohms, integrated or a standalone power amp,
For measurements, take classic THD and IM measurements, as per the FTC and/or SMPTE standards.
Do you believe if two amps, both having the nominally same output power (20Vrms into 8 Ohms), where one has say 0.1% THD, and the other say 0.01% THD, in both cases as per the FTC rules, that the one with the smaller measured THD will by default sound better?
We are all day surrounded by horrible compressed sound from TV, radio, IPhones etc. Yes, the result of market success supported by objective facts and results of research on sound perception. Give me a break, SY. You may probably like it, me not and that's why I am in DIY hi-fi hobby.
A prime example of cognitive dissonance.
Its impossible to answer this with yes or no, because you haven't defined "sound bland" and "sound wonderful".
I use the term "transparent". A device is "transparent" if you hear no difference between input and output.
If ALL the relative objective measurements of an amp is showing its artefacts are well below the audible thresholds, then its very likely to be transparent. But scientific subjective measurements trump objective measurements all the time.
If the objective measurements show that the amp produces artefacts above the audible threshold, its very likely not transparent.
I can understand that some people like certain kinds of audible artefacts, that’s fine by me. I prefer transparent equipment for reproduction.
It is true that the quality of most modern music recordings is extremely low. The dynamic range of most modern releases is non existing and sounds very distorted.
But this is NOT "the result of market success supported by objective facts and results of research on sound perception." Its the result of the false "more must be better" paradigm.
Edit: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=16321
People seem to like accurate reproduction.
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I agree, "flat lined" recordings sound badly anywhere. Anyway, the loudness race was IMO started by massive use of portable players.
https://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/
take-everything-everywhere iPod
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