Robots and Self driving vehicles are coming!

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Autonomous cars won't be on the market, for everybody to purchase, before 50 years, if ever. There are huge moral and liability issues the auto manufacturers don't like to speak much about. Would you buy a car that may potentially decide to kill you? The software guys are saying "we are taking care of it, if it happens, it means we screwed it" which is far from good enough for any commercial deployment.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.03346.pdf

Also see the wealth of literature about the "trolley dilemma". IMO the solution is adapting the transportation infrastructure, anything else will never be safe enough, one way or another.

Huh, and how exactly is the govt. going to force me to buy an AV?

The funny part is, AAs (Autonomous Airplanes) are already here, I saw with my own eyes, after a smooth landing, the pilot getting off the washroom, and somehow I don't think it was the (usually rookie) co-pilot that landed the jet. Take off, cruise and landing are already 95% on software, and we have drone technology. Though, a recent poll showed that 86% of potential passengers would not board a human pilot less plane, at any cost, even for free. AV prospective adoption numbers are much better, hovering around 60%, however that's before the first major incidents have occurred. Can you imagine the law suits, class actions, bad PR media, recalls, etc... occurring after each major crash where AVs made their life and death decisions?

Or simply, safely turn left? Maybe they will use fuzzy logic to solve a trolley problem when it comes up, Trolley problem - Wikipedia.

IMHO, it will never happen, just as 100's of Amazon drones trying to land in back yards to deliver groceries won't either unless the .gov intervenes and holds them harmless for certain failures of software as well as mechanics. IMHO it will never happen.

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Never saw your posts or I wouldn't have bothered. BTW the head of MIT's autonomous vehicle initiative is on record saying the left turn dilemma alone is at least 10yr down the road (if ever).

Both my daughters quit Wholefoods after the takeover, the fatuousness of the Amazon folks and their robots/drones is almost incomprehensible. I recently volunteered at a sporting event where they employed an untethered drone large enough to carry a full sized broadcast camera and radio relay gear/batteries(?). It was the size of a small car, noisy, etc. What are they going to do with folks in 60 unit high rises, call them to meet it on the roof before the neighbors steal the goods? More likely Musk on mars.
 

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The driverless car issues are much simpler if you have only driverless vehicles on the road -
the right turn problem goes away, for example... Similarly, the pedestrian issues simplify if you fence the roads and force use of crossings which are integrated into the driverless system (anyone who climbs over the fence is fair game :D )...
 
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Because school was forced upon them where they were also forced to learn about things that they were NOT interested in.
Yes, like being able to count and express themselves in their own native language.

I'm meaning something like said couch potato wants to learn how to bake a certain type of cake,
A true couch potato is content to stop once their education reaches the point where they learn how to eat cake. One of the problems we face in Britain is that a significant proportion of the population cannot cook, so are forced to eat processed food.
 
As far as cars go the real breakthrough will be when there all networked together so your car will know what cars around it are doing before they do it and a central computer can control many cars at once. Until the hackers get in.
I'm hearing it from the horses mouth of ideas to install wifi transponders up and down every street to enable AV full situation awareness, but more so as a secondary data network to handle the data traffic required to enable RFID POS/inventory systems and crypto currency/peer to peer payment systems.
This secondary data network also opens up all manner of chargeabilities like tolls for road usage which then extends to route planning priority according to cost or journey time etc.

I am also hearing that within the next couple of years all goods inward into China will require RFID.
This will enable perfect inventory control, immediate payment of duty/tariffs/taxes, handling fees etc, full provenance/history disclosure, quench of counterfeiting, and claims/dispute resolution.

It looks like life is going to become user pay per view/pay per use by the minute (millisecond) instead of weekly/monthly/quarterly.

Dan.
 
If by "stay alive" you mean "live in a cardboard box by the side of the road, with no way to pay for necessary medical treatment", then I agree. :D
Here in Canada (and certainly in most non-USA Western cultures), you can remove the "medical treatment" clause, but the cost of housing is still sky-high.
A lot of people now work extremely long, and extremely hard, and still barely scratch out an existence. There are a lot of "working poor" now.
-Gnobuddy
True, same here, this issue seems widespread now. Perhaps due to housing being a way parasites can use their property portfolios as a form of DIYinvest
 
We all need to take a step back, the current bevy of billionaires are intellectually drunk on their own success. There will not be mining of asteroids or any of the other BS, they pulled a good ticket in the lottery and they are no more able than the average guy in the street. Fanboys need to Norman coordinate.
 
At present I'm working on what used to be called static caravans, but because they are luxury caravans they are called "lodges" :rolleyes:. The company is owned by a millionaire. One of the simple hard working guys who is impressed by such things, told me today that the owner pays my wages. I didn't tell him he'd got it the wrong way round.........
 
Look human nature in this day and age is twisted because of how absolutely bollocks society is.

People are not inherently lazy, if we were we'd have died out as a species a very long time ago.



I agree with you but the remedy for this condition can't be figured out without realizing what cauzes it. People are so much under influence of media and all the stuff they produce, not for our well being for sure. I don't know how many times I have seen movies that offer alcohol, drugs, nicotin, stuff that kills you as means of dealing with your problems. Great, once you become an addict, you are easily manipulated, a perfect slave. The amount of lies, information with tiny bits of truth is amazing and no wonder people get lost, develop a short in the brains for being overburdened with it and grab a bottle. You can't fight the enemy that you don't believe it exists.


The meaning of life has to be discovered in order to heal the society.
 
Yes, like being able to count and express themselves in their own native language.

Obviously compulsory schooling is necessary to give people basic literacy and numerology, but what I was meaning is that many people end up hating school. They get turned off to education because they don't see themselves as academic and see what school teaches them as utterly pointless. Obviously exposing everyone to the varied topics is necessary because that's how the few realise what they want to specialise in.

It's this hatred towards schooling that leads the less able to quit school asap whilst harbouring a large chip on their shoulder towards academic education there after. This doesn't mean that there aren't things out there that they would be excellent at, nor does it mean that there aren't things out there they'd be actually very interested in, but with the way that todays society works, actually finding someone to teach you about them is pretty much impossible. That or you could find someone but private tutoring and then getting your *** out of the couch to go learn it...rather sit on my ***.

So I now refer back to my proposed situation where if there's no money, free door to door transport and a bunch of enthusiasts who would like nothing more than to find a willing ear to bend...even your die hard school hater could find someone to actually educate them, even just in passing, on a topic that they genuinely find interesting.

A true couch potato is content to stop once their education reaches the point where they learn how to eat cake. One of the problems we face in Britain is that a significant proportion of the population cannot cook, so are forced to eat processed food.

There will always be some who are 100% content just to couch potato all day long. Not a lot you can do about that, but I'd genuinely wonder what it is that made them that way in the first place. Most people do prefer to go out and do things if they can.
 

This amuses me and actually points towards what I was saying as being true.

As a trend the countries with the highest rate of people in education or employment are the ones with the highest taxes and highest amount of welfare.

You could argue that in these countries you'd have even more incentive to try and just be a couch potato, but given free education (I know Sweden has completely free education/uni etc) and a very cushy (read stress free life due to knowing the state will support you if excrement hits the cooling device) and people want to go out and learn/work.
 
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