fdegrove said:Hi,
Even if they did, would you really expect them to admit to it?
Rest assured neither one has got anything to do with it but it's quite funny nonetheless...
No, they wouldn't admit it, but they also wouldn't deny it, and
until now they never protested when people associated them
with that website. OK, Jocko doesn't really say straight out
"no, we are not the guys", but I think that is what he means
and we thus must conclude we guessed wrong on previous
occasions.
There were a lot of circumstantial evidence though. A CSI
team wouldn't have stopped here.
Anyway, I found it funny too and Fred's playing along with
the jokes in previous threads were funny too.
Is this thread going to be any interesting from now ? It's all repetition of things said before and/or in other threads. Please note that I posted at almost the same time as you Fred so I am not referring to you.
Please keep the Zobel stuff in the right thread. This one's about Moderators and Commerce..... A Conflict of Interest ?
Prudent yes, not necessary in a lot of cases like with the BrianGT LM3875 kit ( I am NOT talking about LM4780 ). I use them and I encourage everybody to use them as it is more fail-safe. Just like input caps and an input filter. That's it. Finito. And it's in the wrong thread. And it's not about Zobel anymore when you reread posts and the harsh tone they are written in.
Maybe closing this thread would be a wise idea ?
Please keep the Zobel stuff in the right thread. This one's about Moderators and Commerce..... A Conflict of Interest ?
Prudent yes, not necessary in a lot of cases like with the BrianGT LM3875 kit ( I am NOT talking about LM4780 ). I use them and I encourage everybody to use them as it is more fail-safe. Just like input caps and an input filter. That's it. Finito. And it's in the wrong thread. And it's not about Zobel anymore when you reread posts and the harsh tone they are written in.
Maybe closing this thread would be a wise idea ?
No smell here.....
Yes Till, I know you have a problem with authority or things that seem like authority. I have a problem with useless accusations, threadjacking and threads that lead nowhere but bad atmosphere. If the fun is gone it is time to say goodbye.
Did you see the question mark ? That's no censorship to me as it was a question to you all. Which might have people reacting like : Yes or No.
Please see life from the sunny side once, it is really not that bad.
Yes Till, I know you have a problem with authority or things that seem like authority. I have a problem with useless accusations, threadjacking and threads that lead nowhere but bad atmosphere. If the fun is gone it is time to say goodbye.
Did you see the question mark ? That's no censorship to me as it was a question to you all. Which might have people reacting like : Yes or No.
Please see life from the sunny side once, it is really not that bad.
till, I've never built one of these circuits. I've never bought one of these boards. I do tubes. And I haven't been part of any substantive discussion about chip amps, Zobels, or the price of jute in Malaysia.
I have never met Peter or P-A, or Jocko or Fred, or magura or jam, or Christer or J-P. I did buy some capacitors from Peter once. Jocko and I tell each other dirty jokes. That's the total extent of my commercial involvement. May I present myself as rather disinterested and impartial?
There's not much new here- in fact, nothing new. If there are any on-topic posts in the next few hours, I'll wander back away. If it's the same blah-blah, I'll close the thread unless you (or someone else) can give me a compelling reason not to.
I have never met Peter or P-A, or Jocko or Fred, or magura or jam, or Christer or J-P. I did buy some capacitors from Peter once. Jocko and I tell each other dirty jokes. That's the total extent of my commercial involvement. May I present myself as rather disinterested and impartial?
There's not much new here- in fact, nothing new. If there are any on-topic posts in the next few hours, I'll wander back away. If it's the same blah-blah, I'll close the thread unless you (or someone else) can give me a compelling reason not to.
What words do you want to put in my mouth Till ? How far do *you* want to let it go ? That's what I asked and unwillingly I am stretching it longer now.
Question:
Maybe closing this thread would be a wise idea ?
Answer:
A moderator wants to censor _THIS_ topic ??? do i smell something here?
Second answer:
why do you want to close the thread?
Read and learn. There is no conspiracy going on that I know of.
Question:
Maybe closing this thread would be a wise idea ?
Answer:
A moderator wants to censor _THIS_ topic ??? do i smell something here?
Second answer:
why do you want to close the thread?
Read and learn. There is no conspiracy going on that I know of.
Must be getting close to the European cup.....
.....Germany-Holland is our and Germany's first game (or the other way around, dunno).
<joke>
PS, anybody seen that advertisement (for the EC) with the german lady in the car ("jodel"-muziek in the background) and the dutch couple in the car with the caravan trying to overtake?
Hilarious!!!
.....Germany-Holland is our and Germany's first game (or the other way around, dunno).
<joke>
PS, anybody seen that advertisement (for the EC) with the german lady in the car ("jodel"-muziek in the background) and the dutch couple in the car with the caravan trying to overtake?
Hilarious!!!
My opinion for what it's worth:
Peter seems to always perform a solid job moderating - and although a little 'defensive' at times, we hear his input will be missed by other moderators. On the positive side, at least he'll have more time for DIYing?! Peter?
I have no problem with commerce on the site. It should be noted on the Trade forum, with the facts regarding the product laid out clearly - and left there. If anyone asks for information on another forum regarding a product that has these attributes, they should be pointed towards the relevant thread.
I'm sorry if I repeated other points - I got bored on page 11 - I don't much like conflict.
Good luck - Peter, I hope you change your Moderating mind!
Gaz
Peter seems to always perform a solid job moderating - and although a little 'defensive' at times, we hear his input will be missed by other moderators. On the positive side, at least he'll have more time for DIYing?!
Peter?I have no problem with commerce on the site. It should be noted on the Trade forum, with the facts regarding the product laid out clearly - and left there. If anyone asks for information on another forum regarding a product that has these attributes, they should be pointed towards the relevant thread.
I'm sorry if I repeated other points - I got bored on page 11 - I don't much like conflict.
Good luck - Peter, I hope you change your Moderating mind!
Gaz
Rarkov said:Peter seems to always perform a solid job moderating - and although a little 'defensive' at times, we hear his input will be missed by other moderators. On the positive side, at least he'll have more time for DIYing?!
Let's get this thread back into tracks.
I had always specific ideas how moderating on this forum should be done. It was easy to do, at the beginning of our term, when Dice45 left. It seems like a previous crew had totally different approach, and we couldn't really blame them for it, as they were volunteers. However, relaxed attitude eventually won and some guys left the moderating ranks on their own. We had some period of stability, when everybody was more or less happy with a direction the forum was taking. At some point however, a new influence started to emerge, and we have to deal with that again.
I'm specifically talking about commerce, and personally I don't really know how to cope with it. It seems like this is in the interests of the people who own the site, and it's really hard to predict how much members will be able to decide about it. It also seems like majority of members don't really mind the commercial influences on the forum (I am one of them, although sometimes I miss the old times when nobody was selling any kits).
So if you really care about this forum, speak up your mind and tell what you really think about it.
As I said before, it's not about Zobels or chip amps, or Fred and the gang
. It's about how we will feel a year from now, browsing this place
This is not a new subject on this form as there is already a thread dealing with commercialism on the forum. I have alway believed that there should be a place for commercial activities and discussions that is separate from the main audio/video discussions. Hopeful that will happen soon and most of these issues will go away.
A Conflict of Interest.
This is a DIY forum. Member or moderator, if you're selling/developing/marketing/ect. a product(s) on the forum for a profit (no matter how meger) there has to be conflict of interest. There are many examples of active members here that make a living in this industry that don't extend those activities to the forum so clearly, one can be a member without using the forum and its members as your development bed or test market.
Left Unchecked.
If it weren't for threads like this (and others) where members can make their views known then it would be a "take or leave it" situation for the members. There has to be a limit to commercialism on the forum or that would be all that you would have. What ever the subject you wish to discuss, there will be someone trying to sell you something.
The Goose and the Gander.
There are double standards here on the forum. We try, mostly, to avoid it, but it's difficult with people you've come to call friends. There's also the factor of history (both good and bad) that influence how issues are dealt with. These are not excuses to be partial when dealling with situations, it's just a matter of fact.
The Hidden Issue, IP.
There exist a very very small group of individuals that give unselfishly of themselves for the benefit of the members of the forum. The Aleph design is the prime example. We are so lucky to have the benefit of the like of Nelson Pass and some others that give so much. But there are others that are, or have been members that would offer so much more than they do if it where for the DIY use only.
I believe the commercial and marketing activities severely limits the free exchange of ideas on the forum. It's not that one of two, of a dozen people are trying to get something started in the audio industry. It's that it creates a business atmosphere on the forum in general that works its way into many of the discussions today. Ideas that may have been available to the membership 2 years ago are now lock away in the authors mind. You may say they are being selfish or egotisitical or whatever. It's their right for whatever the reason because its their IP.
I can't wait for the Vendors Bazaar.
A Conflict of Interest.
This is a DIY forum. Member or moderator, if you're selling/developing/marketing/ect. a product(s) on the forum for a profit (no matter how meger) there has to be conflict of interest. There are many examples of active members here that make a living in this industry that don't extend those activities to the forum so clearly, one can be a member without using the forum and its members as your development bed or test market.
Left Unchecked.
If it weren't for threads like this (and others) where members can make their views known then it would be a "take or leave it" situation for the members. There has to be a limit to commercialism on the forum or that would be all that you would have. What ever the subject you wish to discuss, there will be someone trying to sell you something.
The Goose and the Gander.
There are double standards here on the forum. We try, mostly, to avoid it, but it's difficult with people you've come to call friends. There's also the factor of history (both good and bad) that influence how issues are dealt with. These are not excuses to be partial when dealling with situations, it's just a matter of fact.
The Hidden Issue, IP.
There exist a very very small group of individuals that give unselfishly of themselves for the benefit of the members of the forum. The Aleph design is the prime example. We are so lucky to have the benefit of the like of Nelson Pass and some others that give so much. But there are others that are, or have been members that would offer so much more than they do if it where for the DIY use only.
I believe the commercial and marketing activities severely limits the free exchange of ideas on the forum. It's not that one of two, of a dozen people are trying to get something started in the audio industry. It's that it creates a business atmosphere on the forum in general that works its way into many of the discussions today. Ideas that may have been available to the membership 2 years ago are now lock away in the authors mind. You may say they are being selfish or egotisitical or whatever. It's their right for whatever the reason because its their IP.
I can't wait for the Vendors Bazaar.
For Example...........
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=405991#post405991
What can I say that says it any better than this? How much talkiing about it are the people in charge going to do, before they do something about it............... Where is Jason on this issue? Does he have no opinion on the matter?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=405991#post405991
What can I say that says it any better than this? How much talkiing about it are the people in charge going to do, before they do something about it............... Where is Jason on this issue? Does he have no opinion on the matter?
Re: The Power of Truth........
Talking???,
I scrolled down the page in the link and saw some gorgeous ladies....(and some very simple circuits). Should they (the ladies) enhance the sales? What has a body-painted mono-kini girl to do with DiyAudio???
http://www.hiendfi.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=102
(upgrade version) Upgrade on what?????
Right now I can't concentrate on circuits, sorry........................................................................................................................
Fred, yes, your point well taken!
Fred Dieckmann said:http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=405991#post405991
What can I say that says it any better than this? How much talkiing about it are the people in charge going to do, before they do something about it............... Where is Jason on this issue? Does he have no opinion on the matter?
Talking???,
I scrolled down the page in the link and saw some gorgeous ladies....(and some very simple circuits). Should they (the ladies) enhance the sales? What has a body-painted mono-kini girl to do with DiyAudio???
http://www.hiendfi.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=102
(upgrade version) Upgrade on what?????
Right now I can't concentrate on circuits, sorry........................................................................................................................
Fred, yes, your point well taken!
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