John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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To give an example, mentioned recently, :p - Relax, by Frankie Goes ..., etc. Excellent material to work with - there is a water splashing sound in the mix - and the trick would be able to lift that particular element more and more out of the mix, so it stands completely separate from the rest of the sounds, with complete integrity in itself - it lives in its own acoustic, and can be easily

The sample of the band jumping in the pool was sampled and 'played' as far as I can tell by JJ mashing the fairlight keyboard.
 
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According to this article :) it depends on buffer size, apparently? toslink has a slower rise time. As with everything audio, opinions vary :D

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That is output. Looking at the some DAC reports running J test data the 2 give identical performance. I run coax out my bluray just because I have a spare coax input on the DAC for it as the TV and PC use the optical inputs. I think I can conclude that, for now, I have bigger problems to look at in my system.
 
That is output. Looking at the some DAC reports running J test data the 2 give identical performance. I run coax out my bluray just because I have a spare coax input on the DAC for it as the TV and PC use the optical inputs. I think I can conclude that, for now, I have bigger problems to look at in my system.

If i had the TV connected to my system i would use an optical link to help avoid ground loops. I only use one source these days, simplicity sometimes brings benefits and i rarely watch the telly these days anyway. Endless repeats ain't my thing, my memory is still pretty much intact. My sanity - well thats another story :D
 
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They do. Every CD player does.
In your Sony DVP-CX985V this functional block is hosted in IC301, an 176 pin DSP processor. The RAM (16Mbit D-RAM) is IC 303.

You can’t check how good/bad they do it but if you are still in doubt that such an operation is taking place, monitor DSP chip’s pin 29 ("Write enable signal output to the D-RAM")


Something more useful. This is the Digital out of your Sony DVP-CX985V

George


Thank you, George. No doubts now.


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The sample of the band jumping in the pool was sampled and 'played' as far as I can tell by JJ mashing the fairlight keyboard.
Yes, classic synthesizer techniques - some sounds are generated by first principles, others by using sampled sounds - premium digital pianos sold today uses samples of the best acoustic grands, which are carefully adjusted to suit the velocity of the key stroke, etc, etc.

A sampled sound has no problem in itself of being "low" quality - it is a recording, which just happens to be played back at a certain time, a number of times, just like adding another track in a DAW. It is no different, in essence, from having members of a jazz group completely acoustically separated for recording, in different rooms, each allocated their own track, and then being mixed down into a master.
 
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Yes, classic synthesizer techniques - some sounds are generated by first principles, others by using sampled sounds -

In the early 80s there was nothing classic about the fairlight. It was state of the art. The mellotron had been the only game before that. People were learning as they went. Sadly this eventually gave us the frog chorus and the orchestra stab overload that culminated in 'a view to a kill' theme.
 
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If i had the TV connected to my system i would use an optical link to help avoid ground loops. I only use one source these days, simplicity sometimes brings benefits and i rarely watch the telly these days anyway. Endless repeats ain't my thing, my memory is still pretty much intact. My sanity - well thats another story :D

well when we have film nights I want to get good sound :) simplicity is for the kitchen stereo setup.
 
In the early 80s there was nothing classic about the fairlight. It was state of the art. The mellotron had been the only game before that. People were learning as they went. Sadly this eventually gave us the frog chorus and the orchestra stab overload that culminated in 'a view to a kill' theme.
Classic, as from the perspective of now, :). I saw the beast at a hifi show in Sydney, in those early years, being shown off as a piece of gee whiz electronics - the oohing and aahing by the audience was mainly about the screen interface, with the light pen - the demo people, probably the developers, were very enthusiastic at pushing that side of it ... ;).
 
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Well....? It still looks like what I hear and measure is not enough bits at the typical listening levels - This bit depth is what determines the accuracy of the amplitude measurements per sample. The higher bit-depth allows greater audible perception in the loudness-the dynamic range. 16/44.1 is just shy of what is needed to be truely transparent:

https://www.meridian-audio.com/meridian-uploads/ara/coding2.pdf

The graphs towards the end show the loudness curves and distortion and noise overlaid on them for audibility.



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Can't you extend the sample rate of say a 16 bit file, and use the ultrasonic frequencies for dither, and this way increase the effective bits at audio?

Although most DAC datasheets I've seen show that THD is higher at higher samplerates. So higher samplerate comes at the cost of harmonic distortion in most real cases. So for the DACs I've seen I wonder if 96KHz/16-bit with dither would be ideal (as suggested in that article in fact). It would also be a more space-effective HD format.

I wonder if dither has any strong effect on the compressibility of a file by increasing ENOB while adding random noise, perhaps adding more incompressible data?
 
toslink has a slower rise time.
it is due to the reflexions of photons on the edge of the fiber, with different angles. At the distance of the light and the lengths you use in your home, go figure.
You can have Jitter if you use a level trigger on those edges. You need to re-clock your signal with a good clock (precise and fast edges) -> End of the issue.
 
Can't you extend the sample rate of say a 16 bit file, and use the ultrasonic frequencies for dither, and this way increase the effective bits at audio?

read Richard's linked article by Bob Stuart - answers your question - doesn't support Marsh's bit depth misunderstanding

always fascinating when people cite a article in support of outlandish claims when any could actually read and see the opposite
 
Well....? It still looks like what I hear and measure is not enough bits at the typical listening levels - This bit depth is what determines the accuracy of the amplitude measurements per sample. The higher bit-depth allows greater audible perception in the loudness-the dynamic range. 16/44.1 is just shy of what is needed to be truely transparent:

https://www.meridian-audio.com/meridian-uploads/ara/coding2.pdf

The graphs towards the end show the loudness curves and distortion and noise overlaid on them for audibility.



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Amazing that this debate keeps grinding on, and how "technical data" is used to push an agenda ...

It's all very simple ... CD often sounds like it lacks resolution, because that's how it manifests lacklustre, faulty implementation, in a system setup. People are so used to hearing it sound like that, they assume it must be because there is an intrinsic flaw with the concept ... well, it ain't! It only takes a single playing of a "poor" disk in a system without problems, to realise that the issue is poor system engineering badly undermining the sound quality potential.
 
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read Richard's linked article by Bob Stuart - answers your question - does support Marsh's bit depth misunderstanding

I said I think the difference between a CD (16/44.1) and the improved sound of 24/96 from files is just the 24 bits mostly. Still seems to be true from everything I've read. I have not misunderstood the bit depth.
The distortion shown in the graphs is what I am hearing as the major difference.

This is dated at 1998 and he has moved on, himself with products of 24/96.


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Amazing that this debate keeps grinding on, and how "technical data" is used to push an agenda ...

It's all very simple ... CD often sounds like it lacks resolution, because that's how it manifests lacklustre, faulty implementation, in a system setup. People are so used to hearing it sound like that, they assume it must be because there is an intrinsic flaw with the concept ... well, it ain't! It only takes a single playing of a "poor" disk in a system without problems, to realise that the issue is poor system engineering badly undermining the sound quality potential.

That has limited appeal to me... I want to get as close to SOTA as possible and funds allow... Every little bit counts :)

OK. Now I am really done.... I found the answere to my question of why my CD player doesnt sound as good as 24/96 files and have moved on to higher performance. Going to get that ADC and run tests. >>back to LPs and optimizing your choises for greater musical enjoyment.

:cheers:
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