What we are after, Master a.wayne, is for the recording to sound like itself - and that can be accomplished in a myriad of ways, with any number of drivers, or types of speaker technolgy. As soon as the sound "sounds" like it's coming from a certain way of doing things, then it's failed ...Yeah Frank nothing sounds like a single fullrange driver ..
@ john curl
I'm up to page 59 of your PDF so far, & learning & enjoying it
To others. Just because stuff was discovered/invented 30/40 etc years ago, doesn't automatically make it obsolete In fact, LOTS of things were discovered 100 & more years ago, that we still make use of today, & will forever.
Sure some things can be updated etc when more knowledge/facts etc becomes available, but that's as it should be
I'm up to page 59 of your PDF so far, & learning & enjoying it
To others. Just because stuff was discovered/invented 30/40 etc years ago, doesn't automatically make it obsolete
In fact, LOTS of things were discovered 100 & more years ago, that we still make use of today, & will forever.Sure some things can be updated etc when more knowledge/facts etc becomes available, but that's as it should be
Personally, I prefer this one ... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VXzsalifZXY/UNdGlkZH6cI/AAAAAAAAdb0/W1nrX3AK3TY/s640/frankhome.jpgRE - Post #53117
WoW ! Frank Sinatra had a 3 turntable setup, & what "looks" to be a mixer for them, in the 60's. I doubt he was actually using the setup for beat mixing though
Thanks for posting the pic
@ fas42
That's a goody too
Take a closer look at the three channel tape deck!
It depends on what you define as "not going to get the job done", and "not top shelf". This is where one really needs to be in the same room with the other person, listening to a variety of setups, to clarify what each individual sees as important.
For me, total invisibility of speakers under all situations, and ability to go to clipping levels with no tonality changes would be key requirements ...
@ john curl
I'm up to page 59 of your PDF so far, & learning & enjoying it
To others. Just because stuff was discovered/invented 30/40 etc years ago, doesn't automatically make it obsolete
Sure some things can be updated etc when more knowledge/facts etc becomes available, but that's as it should be
Yes, fets were invented around 1930.
I'm not seriously looking at using the current PC speakers to get there, too much work and not enough benefit; it's just an interesting exercise at the moment - and gear still does surprise me at times, producing a subjective impact far beyond what one would expect, at the particular stage of development it's in.
I've got 2 good quality subwoofer drivers here, I might be tempted to see if I can get extremely high quality bass out of them, as a next go ...
I've got 2 good quality subwoofer drivers here, I might be tempted to see if I can get extremely high quality bass out of them, as a next go ...
And, when I've asked you to precisely state what is not quite ticking your boxes, you have brushed it aside - unless you say exactly what is not happening in the sound you're hearing I can't really offer more meaningful advice.Frank,
We have had these discussions at least 20 times , i have taken your questionnaire, answered all your questions , ticked all the boxes and yet ...
I'm happy for you if these simple devices tick your boxes , envious actually
Again, I use 'bad' recordings to give me clues - on something that is a complete turn-off for you, what are the things that bug you?
The simple devices "work", but only if I go to some trouble optimising everything, every time I listen. The real goal is that, say, from 5 minutes after completely cold switch-on, without doing anything special the system is firing properly - meaning the good sound is on tap at any time.
The DEQX chap leaves his gear powered up 24/7, which gets around one problem, but it still took a couple of hours to get it to 'sing', after driving it at decent volume levels.
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Me too. ...Frank is happier and more relaxed; the dog too.
...And that's a "solid" stereo sound system (3 speakers - one in the middle - 3 solid channels and a 3-channel sound deck as the source). ...Frank was ahead of the herd.
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Sad , nope you got all your answers , but you maybe sliding along faster than I, so ....
That system is in Frank Sinatra's Palm Springs home. Its still there. I saw it on a tour about a year ago. You can rent the place for a weekend if you want to be ultra cool.
This film on stereo is contemporary with the above system . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziMw7uh9VNo
Fremer has some comments if you read through them.
The answer to that is a secret, but if you read the
the very first two lines of JC's post it may be revealed to you -
The history and references of the 'Otala Amp'.
Jan
It's got sorta close on occasions, but there are too many compromises at the moment - the power supplies are way not good enough. The last system that could do it pretty well was the reasonably mod'ed Philips HT - it had a transformer that a decent NAD would use, but didn't have to worry about bass duties - it could go to clipping without audible problems, and managed invisibility many times.
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