John Curl's Blowtorch preamplifier part II

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A laser printer will fuse the toner on Mylar. Compared to paper, your phrases will be sharper-witted with a better sense of perspective.

3D? :)

I have some Kapton film. If laser printer can print on it it is quite interesting: I can iron the drawing back on a copper clad board, to make boards for prototypes. Let's try! :xfingers:
 
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Plain printer paper will deteriorate after just a few decades. How about some copper-clad? Just fuse your laser-printed words from glossy inkjet paper onto some copper-clad FR4, with a clothes iron, and then remove the paper and drop the FR4 into a nice bath of 1 part 30-something-% hydrochloric acid (aka "muriatic") and 2 parts common 3% hydrogen peroxide, for about five minutes. Then rinse and don't repeat.

Maybe use some of the really-thin flexible PCB material and then put the pages into a three-ring binder. That should make a fairly-permanent copy.
 
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Plain printer paper will deteriorate after just a few decades. How about some copper-clad? Just fuse your laser-printed words from glossy inkjet paper onto some copper-clad FR4, with a clothes iron, and then remove the paper and drop the FR4 into a nice bath of 1 part 30-something-% hydrochloric acid (aka "muriatic") and 2 parts common 3% hydrogen peroxide, for about five minutes. Then rinse and don't repeat.

Maybe use some of the really-thin flexible PCB material and then put the pages into a three-ring binder. That should make a fairly-permanent copy.

But how will it sound?
 
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You may be confusing order and Q. A sufficiently smooth rolloff (e.g. Bessel) could have no storage at all so nothing to decay. A filter does not necessarily have to show resonance, although sharp ones usually will.

Interesting, but it may be that it is the shape of the initial rolloff corner rather than the final slope which really matters. The article may mix these up. However, it does perhaps raise issues relating to the brickwall filters of digital audio.

Dont get too involved in this particular filter. So many filters in audio speakers and cross-overs have complex shapes and configurations and many would have a lot of trouble when viewed in this way - loss of details being retreived in the decay times of the filter (corner) or what ever. Just get the point being illustrated is what I am trying to communicate..... not to be limited to what is being shown to make the point. (Dean Jensen's transformers were noted as sounding the best for the apps designed -- they were designed to have a Bessel rolloff, btw.) -Thx RNM
 
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We learned base width modulation. That was imaginable modulation, used in equations. But if transistors sing that means their real geometry modulates as well! :eek:

3. Ionization of solutions
4. Change of molecular structure

Thank you Wavebourn.
Although you answer in brief, you are very informative.

I would like to know if all these effects (1-4) and their results have been analyzed . They are not included in the typical capacitor parameters, nor in any capacitor equivalent circuit I have seen

George
 
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For the dielectric permitivity changes with the signal, I suspected that you imply some form of hysteresis mechanism existing in a capacitor.
No. Hysteresis and non-linearity are not the same thing.

Well, maybe I read it wrong. But I doubt that Heaviside was meaning the case of moving the two different dielectrics in and out of the plates.
I can't think of any other way to change the dielectric while keeping the plates charged.
 
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However, you MUST use an asymmetrical waveform to get clear results. That brings out the differences.
An asymmetrical waveform necessarily includes even harmonics, and may include DC. DC will obviously show up DA, as DA is a low frequency phenomenon. DC will also act as a bias and cause a cap with symmetrical non-linearity (and so only odd-order inherent distortion) to produce asymmetrical non-linearity and so even-order distortion.

It may also be that asymmetry is easier to spot by eye than symmetry. If you start with a symmetrical waveform (only odd harmonics) and apply it to a symmetrical DUT (most non-electrolytic caps) then the result must be symmetrical as there is nothing to introduce asymmetry. An asymmetrical test waveform changes things, simply by introducing asymmetry. Now it is possible to get asymmetric results.
 
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Just get the point being illustrated is what I am trying to communicate..... not to be limited to what is being shown to make the point.
Why do you keep giving illustrations which actually illustrate a different point from the one you are making? Even though superficially they may look relevant at first glance, and may fool some people. Could it be that the point you are making has no illustrations because it is false?

We have had audibility of energy storage in filters, which turned out to be a multipole very sharp filter so bound to store energy. We were asked to add up the same parcel of energy at different times, as though these were separate lumps of energy. Then we had audibility of filter slope, which may actually be audibility of sharpness of filter corner.

Does the emperor have any clothes?
 
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Why do you keep giving illustrations which actually illustrate a different point from the one you are making? Even though superficially they may look relevant at first glance, and may fool some people. Could it be that the point you are making has no illustrations because it is false?

We have had audibility of energy storage in filters, which turned out to be a multipole very sharp filter so bound to store energy. We were asked to add up the same parcel of energy at different times, as though these were separate lumps of energy. Then we had audibility of filter slope, which may actually be audibility of sharpness of filter corner.

Does the emperor have any clothes?

It doesnt matter to me how many different ways we can view the same thing that has been already known. I am correlating the sound with the test... which one corelates best? I have said this before.

For example, the sharpeness of the corner - it is for You to try and see if this test or view Does correlate. Explore it further on your own. If you are satified that other tests better corelate... fine. I disagree. -Thx, RNM
 
It is impractical to do IM or harmonic testing with JUST a square wave. We developed the SINE-SQUARE test signal to get around the impracticality, yet use the controlled rise-time of the square wave portion.

The sine-square test was useful some 35 years ago, I agree. With up-to-date devices, and our good knowledge of slew rate issues, it became quite useless, IMO. Especially for the reason of very complicated evaluation of the output that this test provides us with. We should not live in the past.
 
The sine-square test was useful some 35 years ago, I agree. With up-to-date devices, and our good knowledge of slew rate issues, it became quite useless, IMO. Especially for the reason of very complicated evaluation of the output that this test provides us with. We should not live in the past.

Hi Pavel,
I'd love to see what test(s) you may suggest.
 
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