Burn In speakercable

[Alex from Oz]

I like the idea of headphones for the simplicity and directness. Also no room accoustics, etc.

Good idea.

level matching is ALWAYS required ESPECIALLY with a switch, etc. slight volume changes are the most likely way an audiophile is able to 'hear' differences between to pieces of equipment.

Not in this case. The cables being tested are in all ways identical except for burn-in.
Any audible differences (including slight volume changes) would be a result of burn-in effects - which is the very thing we are trying to establish.

Also, and very important - The voltage using a square wave and a digital multimeter must be measured at the end of each cable. The reading must be precisely the same every time.

Only need to do this once to check cables are matched prior to burning-in.

That's why I've made the point several times that it needs to be a cable which is agreed (by the test subject) to have a long break-in time.

Exactly. The longer the better.

 

[Andre Visser]

Wow...
There's a word that comes to mind that describes these latest developments: Absurd.

I feel ridiculous just reading it.

Oh look, a wiki too.

Great, then we have succeeded.

 

[Edmond Stuart]

fraud or just politics?

Edmond, behave will you?

Seriously, I'm fine with you going after those whom makes extraordinary claims, and won't step up to the plate and prove their claims..........

Magura

I really hope that this investigation does not follow the same course as:
YouTube - climategate on finnish television 1/3
YouTube - climategate on finnish television 2/3
YouTube - climategate on finnish television 3/3

edit: I don't like myths that cost me a lot of money.

 

[iko]

Wow...
There's a word that comes to mind that describes these latest developments: Absurd.

I feel ridiculous just reading it.

Oh look, a wiki too.

I've seen worse.

 

[wakibaki]

I feel ridiculous just reading it.

It's just a feeling, it'll pass off quicker if you ante up $10...

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[Edmond Stuart]

bluekitty

Seems like bluekitty is lying on his back, waiting for someone to rub him up the wrong way.

At least we share the same sense of humor.

 

[Andre Visser]

At least we share the same sense of humor.

That get me in the **** many times.

 

[iko]

I tell you what. Crazy or not, absurd or not, if people wouldn't care about this issue this thread would not have been one of the most active every day since the day it was created.

After so much talk it's time we did something real. Either or we'll feel better that we tried.

 

[john curl]

I would read a book first: 'PROMETHEUS RISING' we are all in the book, and what is being done here as well, and you should read the author's description of RANDI sometime, it is really funny!

 

[john curl]

Edmond, that is the most useful thing you have done in years. Putting up that Finnish video.

 

[iko]

Just a thought, but couldn't a test be devised similar to the "Modified Rhyme Test" to test if there are audible differences.

marce, I don't quite see how. What do you mean?

I found this about the MRT:

"Modified Rhyme Test (MRT)
A word list for statistical intelligibility testing. The modified Rhyme Test uses 50 six-word lists of rhyming or similar-sounding monosyllabic English words, as shown here. Each word is constructed from a consonant-vowel-consonant sound sequence, and the six words in each list differ only in the initial or final consonant sound. Listeners are shown a six-word list and then asked to identify which of the six is spoken by the talker. A carrier sentence is usually used.

MRT test results indicate errors in discrimination of both initial and final consonant sounds. Listener responses can be scored as (1) the number of words heard correctly; (2) the number of words heard incorrectly; or (3) the frequency of particular confusions of consonant sounds. "

 

[iko]

I would read a book first: 'PROMETHEUS RISING' we are all in the book, and what is being done here as well, and you should read the author's description of RANDI sometime, it is really funny!

John, please, can you stop speaking in riddles? What IS being done here? What is your perception of it? I'm trying to organize an honest test here. I don't understand you at all.

 

[john curl]

Why don't you get the book and see?

 

[SY]

John, please, can you stop speaking in riddles? What IS being done here? What is your perception of it? I'm trying to organize an honest test here. I don't understand you at all.

Don't worry about it. It's science fiction. John has found out the hard way that when one speaks plainly and makes claims, one is sometimes called on it. When that happens, one can test a belief or one can run away. Once someone has run away, their comments have no real merit. So... just admire the spectacle and don't take it seriously.

 

[john curl]

Yes, I have 'run away' from a test that I never agreed to do in the first place. This is called 'politics'.

 

[iko]

The game you play isn't pleasant, productive, or educational. Furthermore, I am not in the habit to read any book anyone points me to. Most often the recommendations are poor. Literate people find it just as easy to say something like "this situation is just like so and so book, where [insert relevant short summary here]."

 

[john curl]

Sorry, Iko, I was only trying to help inform you where the answers are to your question to me. I don't have easy answers. However, I find that just getting people to do ANY
research is almost impossible, even Google.

 

[SY]

Yes, I have 'run away' from a test that I never agreed to do in the first place. This is called 'politics'.

No, it's called "unable to back up a claim."

 

[fredex]

Question for SY

SY. With part 2 of the test will Andre get 10 pairs of which 5 will be burnt in and 5 not? I mean will he know that there is 5 of each?

 

[iko]

It wasn't impossible for me to dig up quite a few papers concerning some of the debates you were part of, that weren't even accessible to the public at large, and then give them to those who asked. Running now and reading a whole book is a bit far fetched though.

No worries.