This pic says it all right here. It is hard to imagine the shear size of these horns until you see a person standing next to one.
Audio Beat Munich show report
Joe
something to smile from the Audio Beat show report:
"With all those large (and seriously expensive) systems on show, level was the order of the day. With so many horn systems on show, the potential for really offensive sound was always lurking, and this year it seemed to come home with a vengeance. So much so that Dennis Davis and I felt obliged to create a new category of award in recognition of these (almost physically) impressive efforts. The DFC -- nothing to do with flying, more to do with flight -- stands for Duck For Cover, and this year the award goes to Silbatone, who filled one long wall of a large room with a massive GIP full-range horn system. Multiple cells, cabinets and snail-type enclosures, all driven by field-coil drivers, created a wall of sound that was quite literally terrifying. You no longer need the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan to give you that feeling of intense physical assault; high-frequency notes arrived with the sort of aggressive intent that brings a new immediacy to the term "penetrating trauma." We fled -- and it wasn’t the only time at this show.
Joe
something to smile from the Audio Beat show report:
"With all those large (and seriously expensive) systems on show, level was the order of the day. With so many horn systems on show, the potential for really offensive sound was always lurking, and this year it seemed to come home with a vengeance. So much so that Dennis Davis and I felt obliged to create a new category of award in recognition of these (almost physically) impressive efforts. The DFC -- nothing to do with flying, more to do with flight -- stands for Duck For Cover, and this year the award goes to Silbatone, who filled one long wall of a large room with a massive GIP full-range horn system. Multiple cells, cabinets and snail-type enclosures, all driven by field-coil drivers, created a wall of sound that was quite literally terrifying. You no longer need the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan to give you that feeling of intense physical assault; high-frequency notes arrived with the sort of aggressive intent that brings a new immediacy to the term "penetrating trauma." We fled -- and it wasn’t the only time at this show.
Less damaging to listeners but no less damaging to the music were levels (and types) of coloration I’ve rarely experienced. Sitting in one room and listening to a huge pair of open baffles, I turned to Dennis and commented that the bass sounded more like a cello and that the pianist was unrecognizable as Oscar Peterson. He looked at me in amazement and asked, "This is Oscar Peterson?" Not only was it Oscar, it was We Get Requests, surely one of the most-played of all audiophile demo discs, yet rendered unrecognizable by the system doing the playing."
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/highend2012/highend2012_roy_1.htm
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/highend2012/highend2012_roy_1.htm
I think Mr Basie would have wanted what he put on record to be played back accurately
and since you like quotes, I'll leave you with this one I found on another forum......"Different" is objective, "better" is subjective. Taste is not a provable fact"Do you have accuracy envy?
Dear DavidL,
Quite frankly your posts, here and elsewhere puzzle me greatly...
I have no beef with a quest for accuracy or measurement. If someone had or was going to measure the WE stuff, I would be happy and pleased to add that information into the files here, and see what it said and meant.
But, I don't quite understand what the point of the apparent 'crusade' is that you seem to be on?
Also, can you, would you please tell us, maybe here now or in a separate thread started for that purpose exactly what constitutes this "accurate" speaker or system that you are apparently espousing?
To me it would help the discussion and provide a solid point of reference if you would do this.
Otherwise your posts come off as some sort of 'nay sayer' and negativist only for the sake of being a negativist?
Looking forward to reading what you have to say on this.
Thanks,
_-_-bear
Quite frankly your posts, here and elsewhere puzzle me greatly...
I have no beef with a quest for accuracy or measurement. If someone had or was going to measure the WE stuff, I would be happy and pleased to add that information into the files here, and see what it said and meant.
But, I don't quite understand what the point of the apparent 'crusade' is that you seem to be on?
Also, can you, would you please tell us, maybe here now or in a separate thread started for that purpose exactly what constitutes this "accurate" speaker or system that you are apparently espousing?
To me it would help the discussion and provide a solid point of reference if you would do this.
Otherwise your posts come off as some sort of 'nay sayer' and negativist only for the sake of being a negativist?
Looking forward to reading what you have to say on this.
Thanks,
_-_-bear
DavidL
Please post a list and timestamped photos of all your measuring gear.
I wonder if you even have any.
Without that documentation, your existence is mere speculation.
PS--Pics of your audio system would be interesting too, just for scientific verification. You could be a deaf mute for all I know.
Please post a list and timestamped photos of all your measuring gear.
I wonder if you even have any.
Without that documentation, your existence is mere speculation.
PS--Pics of your audio system would be interesting too, just for scientific verification. You could be a deaf mute for all I know.
I am at the Highend in Munich almost every year.
Beat me if you like, but for me as a not too experienced horn listener the ralax-sound of the Anima horns wasn't that far away from the relax-sound of the WE horns. And the WE stuff runs somewhat out of competition anyway because of the limited HF extension. I wonder who really would like to listen to that all day. Very favourable for the Silbatone people was the close proximity to the Cessaro Room with its TAD rubbish.
Beat me if you like, but for me as a not too experienced horn listener the ralax-sound of the Anima horns wasn't that far away from the relax-sound of the WE horns. And the WE stuff runs somewhat out of competition anyway because of the limited HF extension. I wonder who really would like to listen to that all day. Very favourable for the Silbatone people was the close proximity to the Cessaro Room with its TAD rubbish.
Uh huh ...
See below .....
The coloration is believable and very much inline with such a setup.
So a bad day overall for horns .........
It's all just a back and forth "Sounds Great" "It can't sound great". Just round and round. At least those here claiming it sounds great have heard it. Of course I have NOT heard the Munich setup, so can't testify for it. No one who heard the demos in Paris ran away scared.
Yeah, I'd call that "pre-judging".
It's audio , so unlike Joe , i don't expect everyone to like what they heard. Unfortunately I found this report more accurate than the rest , it was more detailed , he referenced the recording , he specified what he heard wrong , you may or may not agree with his assessment , ok !!!
Now compare his comments to the others and tell me which is most believable, how many of those present and liked what they heard have horns , horn coloration is very present and distinct to me , you may or may not be affected by it , not the same for everyone...
Horns have their strengths , I wouldn't take a direct radiator outside ......
Now compare his comments to the others and tell me which is most believable, how many of those present and liked what they heard have horns , horn coloration is very present and distinct to me , you may or may not be affected by it , not the same for everyone...
Horns have their strengths , I wouldn't take a direct radiator outside ......
Not if one goes to the old people's home in the BMW building complex a block away. My traditional walk after the regular show tho hear the Martion Orgon. From little girl with a guitar to full scale orchestra. And for people who like it very warm and relaxed the presentation of the Anima horn probably wasn't bad, either.
Let's keep in mind that no matter what, these big WE horns have two major features that few if any other speakers have:
1) They will drive to average room SPL with power as low as fractions of a watt.
2) They will reproduce many octaves, from low midrange/upper midbass through ~5kHz, from a single source.
Assuming, of course, that they have a reasonably flat response, these two factors alone are significant and not achieved by most other speakers or any sort or type.
Anyone who doesn't "get" why this is a big deal, I can't explain it (again). It is a big deal.
Are there other ways that have merit to make a speaker, yep.
That's not the question at all.
_-_-bear
PS. nothing I am saying should be construed to imply that my opinion of the WE stuff is anything beyond exactly what I've said. It's not an endorsement nor a statement that they have no issues or problems.
1) They will drive to average room SPL with power as low as fractions of a watt.
2) They will reproduce many octaves, from low midrange/upper midbass through ~5kHz, from a single source.
Assuming, of course, that they have a reasonably flat response, these two factors alone are significant and not achieved by most other speakers or any sort or type.
Anyone who doesn't "get" why this is a big deal, I can't explain it (again). It is a big deal.
Are there other ways that have merit to make a speaker, yep.
That's not the question at all.
_-_-bear
PS. nothing I am saying should be construed to imply that my opinion of the WE stuff is anything beyond exactly what I've said. It's not an endorsement nor a statement that they have no issues or problems.
Hmm... the problem with subjective opinions is that they tend to vary with no way to seperate the valid from the invalid. It certainly wouldn't be fair to toss a contrary oppinion because it conflicts with your own?
What are we to conclude? Not everyone drank the kool-aid?
David
Where's the advantage ...
. 1. There are Amplifers available in 2012 from 1 watt to 3kw so no advantage there.
2. There are many panel speakers that produce full range with one driver and IMO there is no advantage in having One driver covering more than 500 - 5k , distortion is considerably higher than multiple drivers
3 . Running multiple drive units in one horn doesn't one driver make ....
4. Running multidrive units with totally different acoustic centers does not make for good coherency , the tonal issues are believable ..
Frankly the speaker might be as good as Joe says it is and it's secret , may have nothing to do with its sound, love the video .....
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