I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

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There isn't much I can say other than you're grossly misinformed about subjects like product bias. You can no more control subconscious thought then you could control the speed that your hair grows. Pretending that audiophiles get some special pass on product bias is akin to pretending that race car drivers can control the desire to sneeze. Some aspects of the human body are outside of anyone's control, this is why we take measures to reduce the influence of product bias on subject tests.
 
No, I would say you are misinformed and out of touch with the reality of the situation. Being able to overcome instincts and sub-conscience influences is what makes humans rational creatures. If you want to believe that all audiophiles behave irrationally all the time, then that's your business. Look, anyone can read studies of how the sub-conscience influences behavior. I have done so many times myself and believe it or not the bell rings from time to time. That knowledge is easily applied when making decisions on purchases. Experience can also be applied to overcoming instinct when making decisions as well. It's no big secret.

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There isn't much I can say other than you're grossly misinformed about subjects like product bias. You can no more control subconscious thought then you could control the speed that your hair grows. Pretending that audiophiles get some special pass on product bias is akin to pretending that race car drivers can control the desire to sneeze. Some aspects of the human body are outside of anyone's control, this is why we take measures to reduce the influence of product bias on subject tests.

Exactly and that's why it's called subconscious - not controlled by the conscious mind. Some people here obviously believe they are different.
 
No, I would say you are misinformed and out of touch with the reality of the situation. Being able to overcome instincts and sub-conscience influences is what makes humans rational creatures. If you want to believe that all audiophiles behave irrationally all the time, then that's your business.
You've magnificently displayed once again your lack of any understanding of the issue. First off it's clear that human beings are fundamentally irrational. Claims that conflict with all observable evidence are irrational. Technically you're proving my point by even having this discourse. Secondly I'm not saying that all decisions are irrational, but that all decisions are made with the same influences which can't be isolated through "will power". A rational decision on the subject of speaker cables would by definition require some objective basis for the decision. Otherwise you're making an irrational decisions even if you happen to pick the better of the options. You can irrationally believe something that's actually true is true just as easily as you can irrationally believe something that's actually false is true. You have no objective basis for your decision making and as such you're subject to the same bias and fallacies that every human in the same position would be subject to.
 
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Lol, how do you know you only use objective data, given the subconscious hurdles and wish fulfillment which binds us all? Is it possible you're only being told that you are by your peer group? More ice for the slope.
That's the beauty of proof, anyone can verify it. You don't have to accept anything, you can if you so chose find a lab or reconstruct the test that was published.
 
I think you guys are missing the obvious point that experience of all evidence, subjective or objective, is via the senses. Claiming we're always little more than unwilling automatons of the subconscious has wider ramifications.
Yes, this is address by a small amount of rational thought. You are right we are limited to interpreting evidence through our senses, every first year psych student brings this up in class like is some major revelation. The Socratic method understands that we can only extrapolate what our senses allows us to. This however doesn't mean that our sense have carte blanche over our ability to perceive the world. We can verify findings with external methods. It's funny how no matter what the subject is, when people run out of real arguments to combat facts the last thing they turn to is the 'matrix argument', that our senses could be lying to us about the very evidence that doesn't support your world view. It's a false argument, if you go down that road there isn't any limit to what can or can't be justified. If that's the case we could all be living inside someones dream or surrounded by magical faeries that frequently adjust the measurements to keep us from finding the truth. This argument can be used to justify anything, it's a non-argument.
 
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