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Recommendation for a good mid range driver for vocal
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Old 16th September 2020, 03:48 AM   #31
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@Pano - It is great to hear you have good experience with the Morel midrange domes, any model in particular?
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Which one[s] in particular?
Errr.... now you're asking the tough questions. It's been a few year and I'm sure I used to know, but would have to do some research now.
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Old 16th September 2020, 07:50 AM   #32
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OK, I'll try to make my point better. This is a Zaph Audio ZA14 as measured by John Krutke on a IEC baffle:

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This, again, is the driver mounted in a normal rectangular box:

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As you see, rather disturbing differences mainly in the lower region. This is due to the baffle step function. As the differences exceed 5dB, they certainly are noticeable. I hope you see you need measurements of the driver in YOUR box.
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Old 16th September 2020, 09:33 AM   #33
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My vote would be for Monacor MSH 115 4 inch midrange.
Good efficiency, smooth response all the way out to 10kHz, and great value.
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Old 16th September 2020, 10:06 AM   #34
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Hi guys, kindly help me out and do a little survey here. If today you are going to build or buy a new pair of speaker, based on the 3 attached FR curves, which one would be your favorite? The one on the left as 1, center as 2 and right as 3. TIA .
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Old 16th September 2020, 10:34 AM   #35
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As you see, rather disturbing differences mainly in the lower region. This is due to the baffle step function. As the differences exceed 5dB, they certainly are noticeable. I hope you see you need measurements of the driver in YOUR box.
Wow... that's a nasty difference with and without the box. Thanks for sharing that and now I see why many of you keep advising me to get a measuring mic to do a proper measurement.
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Old 16th September 2020, 10:46 AM   #36
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Are there not accurate tools to simulate the nicely traced curves on large baffles to ones in small box baffles? Try the "response modeler" to simulate the baffle induced changes and model from there. I also see higher crossover points on the tweeter in most applications. Closer to 3k 4th order.

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Recommendation for a good mid range driver for vocal
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based on the 3 attached FR curves,
They are fairly similar.
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Old 16th September 2020, 11:21 AM   #38
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Hi guys, kindly help me out and do a little survey here. If today you are going to build or buy a new pair of speaker, based on the 3 attached FR curves, which one would be your favorite? The one on the left as 1, center as 2 and right as 3. TIA .
Which one would you choose?
Your eyes make the choice easy!

But then again....its only a sim, and baffle effects will render any decision made based on those plots, moot.
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