Your food is TOXIC !

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Considering the philosophy modern society strives to, I am not surprised that there is toxins in the food. The media have worked very hard and will continue to do so, to advertise what's in the best interest of their owners, and what that is, is obvious. Once you get to the root of the issues, it makes perfect sense.
 
Well there are at least two schools the one that simply wants to skirt the letter of the law and coopt the agenda and those that really care. I do take deference to your use of "most" without some evidence. There are totally non interventionist farms that don't use any "compounds" except their own compost/blood (maybe some horn silica 🙂) and you take what you get no compromise. Volunteers walk the fields picking off the bugs at times. Of course they get accused more often of dilettantism. The nice fat worm only eats the dry kernels off the end of the cob and the fact that he is nice and lively is a good sign.

Not on my laptop so hard to grab the primary sources, which you have the right to take objection. 🙂 The point was more to the large scale farms under the banner of organic farming where the protocols are your typical spray and pray.

Your highly intensive farming wouldn't fall under my rant. ;-)
 
billshurv said:
DF96: Roundup is a weedkiller, nothing to do with Monsanto's GM crops division.
My understanding is that a major justification for GM is that plants can be made to be resistant to large doses of roundup. If so, this has everything to do with Monsanto.

My main concern about GM is that I believe we don't know as much about genetics as we think we do. For example, epigenetics has only recently been seen as important. There may be other unknown unknowns, so randomly firing in bits of DNA from unrelated species seems foolhardy. I admit that part of my concern may arise from the common physicist's perception of biology and biologists as being not quite fully science; I apologise if that offends anyone reading this.
 
The point was more to the large scale farms under the banner of organic farming where the protocols are your typical spray and pray.

Yes, unfortunately there is an enormous financial incentive to go as far as you can in bending the spirit of the rules. To be clear our CSA is a land trust and the farmer is an employee with full benefits, there is no profit/loss per se and you would be fair in criticising it as not a model to feed the world. It's not uncommon for the whole planting of say broccoli to fail, we get something else (you never get enough kale 🙂).
 
I also wanted to say I have been eating Healthy and studying Health for a very long time including Organically grown plant foods, The difference between organic grown and your typical farm would be the type of herbicide or pesticide that they use just because its organically grown does not mean they don't use or spray chemicals its a different form like copper and from my research shows that in an organic farm these metals and organic chemicals could be worse! they build up over time and so its best to grow your own or from a small farm that does not use these chemicals.

When i buy bell peppers I like to get them from canada grown in a green house, not much use for pesticides in a enclosed environment.
 
Water is "TOXIC". You just need to drink enough of it in a certain period of time. This fact does not stop some accidental deaths from WATER! I say we ban water immediately.

Anyway, what kind of person actually eats Ritz crackers?
We, the general public, are constantly being yanked around by bureaucrats working in tandem with the media.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ua-WVg1SsA
 
My understanding is that a major justification for GM is that plants can be made
to be resistant to large doses of roundup. If so, this has everything to do with Monsanto.

Exactly. Monsanto sells genetically engineered seeds that tolerate Roundup.
No one else legally can, and Monsanto strongly enforces their monopoly rights.
 
My understanding is that a major justification for GM is that plants can be made to be resistant to large doses of roundup. If so, this has everything to do with Monsanto.
Correct.


My main concern about GM is that I believe we don't know as much about genetics as we think we do. For example, epigenetics has only recently been seen as important. There may be other unknown unknowns, so randomly firing in bits of DNA from unrelated species seems foolhardy. I admit that part of my concern may arise from the common physicist's perception of biology and biologists as being not quite fully science; I apologise if that offends anyone reading this.
Monsanto claims 'substantial equivalence' for nutrition content of GMO crops.
Experience and research is indicating this is not entirely correct.
There is evidence for inserted genetic material 'escaping' and causing prion disease in animals.

Dan.
 
Exactly. Monsanto sells genetically engineered seeds that tolerate Roundup.
No one else legally can, and Monsanto strongly enforces their monopoly rights.

The patents are beginning to expire, the situation is even more confusing. My take is there will now be pressure on some to use the newly "free" GMO seed rather than non-GMO. Pay the extra and trust the source which one is harder? In our culture of rampant tolerance for plagiarism, cheating, etc. we probably will lose.
 
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Roundup is a weedkiller, nothing to do with Monsanto's GM crops division.

When I bought the property where I now live it was overgrown with Knotweed and other non native weeds. A trip to Rural King netted me a 3 gallon jug of 43% pure Glyphosate, which I used, along with a 6 horsepower weed eater, to wipe out the jungle of weeds over a 2 year period.

The glyphosate came with a pamphlet explaining its proper use. There was a page or two detailing its use for zapping small jungles, but dozens of pages detailing its use with "Roundup Ready Crops" (Monsanto's GMO).

It seems that Monsanto has Genetically Modified several food crops like soybeans and corn to be resistant to direct application with Roundup. It clearly states that the farmer should NOT use Roundup or any glyphosate containing herbicide within 6 weeks of harvest. What guarantee is in place to ensure that this statement is even read, much less actually followed by every farmer in the world.

It has been stated by some that glyphosate is safe to humans when used properly. There is also ample evidence that glyphosate may be harmful if ingested over long periods, even in small concentrations. So, who do you believe, and how much is in YOUR food?

The Roundup Ready Controversy

Useless history department:

Anyone who built digital stuff in the 70's and 80's remembers the MAN-7 LED readout. Do you know what that M stood for? Monsanto Alpha Numeric - 7 segments. Yes the readout and a lot of the early development of the LED was done by Monsanto.
 
Govenants has been replaces mercury vapor and sodium with led lighting in streets, avenues and parks, but sincerely I hate them. I hate any source of light that dazzles. For this reason I continue using fluorescent tubes at home: 105W quick start standard electromagnetic ballast and compensation capacitor. No RF radiating at SW Ham radio, electronic ballast are trash, and lots of RF noise.
 
A few months ago I spent half a day chasing some strange oscillation in a tube audio amp that I was working on. It was time for lunch, so I switched off the power supply to the amp, and was surprised that the oscillation was still there. Yep, the Walmart quality LED shop light. Seriously bright, but a major source of RF noise.
 
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