Hi Everyone,
What is the your favorite horn that you have heard? I don't neccesarily mean something in the lowther price range, but maybe something with more affordable fostex driver. I have heard good things about the ronhorn A126 with FE108es. Is there anything else I should consider? I would like to build a pair of the horns, but I don't want to build a pair and then feel like I have to upgrade soon. I wan to buid something that I can be happy with for a long, long time.
Plese give me some suggestions.
Cheers,
Rafal
What is the your favorite horn that you have heard? I don't neccesarily mean something in the lowther price range, but maybe something with more affordable fostex driver. I have heard good things about the ronhorn A126 with FE108es. Is there anything else I should consider? I would like to build a pair of the horns, but I don't want to build a pair and then feel like I have to upgrade soon. I wan to buid something that I can be happy with for a long, long time.
Plese give me some suggestions.
Cheers,
Rafal
I never designed the A126 to be used with the Fostex 108. To fully realize the potential of the 108 truly takes a different design.
ron
ron
ronc said:I never designed the A126 to be used with the Fostex 108. To fully realize the potential of the 108 truly takes a different design.
That said, the 108 does work well in the A126 -- Ron suggested reducing CC volume to 1.8 litres.
If you have corners, the Frugel Horn, if you only have walls the A126. Since how low a horn goes is highly dependent on mouth size, you have to go to bigger & bigger horns to get more bass... just using a larger driver won't do (ie the Hedlund probably doesn't go as low as the 2 mentioned)... what you usually get with the larger driver is more efficiency, more cost, and often not as good mid/top.
I am very pleased with modified FE126 in my RonHorns.
dave
Is there a design specifically made for FE108ES (other than fostek's recommended) that surpasses ronhorn A126 with FE108ES or FE126? I'm not opposed to using smaller driver like FE126 or FE108es and I don't even mind buiding large horns 9I think they can look pretty cool and sculptural) I just want the ultimate in sound quality.
Rafal said:I don't even mind buiding large horns...I just want the ultimate in sound quality.
Klien Horn for FE108eS
dave
You could build a BIB. Look around in this same fullrange section. You will have to ask for the measurements for 108 BIB as they are not published.
planet10 said:
Klien Horn for FE108eS
dave
Since I have concrete corners, couldn't I get exactly the same performance in a drastically smaller form with an appropriate design?
Andrewbee said:You could build a BIB. Look around in this same fullrange section. You will have to ask for the measurements for 108 BIB as they are not published.
The BIB for the FE108eS but you can definitly pick out the rough edges.
One horn we haven't tried that we want to try are the Spawn/Harvey Horns.
dave
johninCR said:Since I have concrete corners, couldn't I get exactly the same performance in a drastically smaller form with an appropriate design?
The Frugel-Horn Mk 2? Gotta get V1 into Martin's hands 1st.
I have a hunch, that thou possible by the theory, that a horn using the multiplying factor of a close surface still won't quit reach the same pinnacle as an all-out assault would.
dave
planet10 said:
The Frugel-Horn Mk 2? Gotta get V1 into Martin's hands 1st.
I have a hunch, that thou possible by the theory, that a horn using the multiplying factor of a close surface still won't quit reach the same pinnacle as an all-out assault would.
dave
I was thinking of something made especially for an exact placement in my corners so the corner itself would truly be the final segment with a well planned transition into it. I would think that done correctly the concrete would make a better construction than relatively thin wood.
As a combination, my Harvey/Spawn horn works pretty well. BIB with FF165K. And my friend Steve's DIY tractrix horns with Lowther EX4s are pretty special when corner loaded & show a lot of potential.
The Klein horns look interesting but they are way too big. I know I mentioned that I don't mind them being big but not That big.
Is the BIB a horn or is it a type if a TL?
Is the BIB a horn or is it a type if a TL?
Rafal said:Is the BIB a horn or is it a type if a TL?
A little philosiphizing: Martin King's (and to a much lesser extent Augspurger's) tools have revealed to us a large space of what can be loosly called quarter-wave resonators. Within this space there are subspaces which nicely coincide with objects we have clasiically called horns, TLs, Voigt pipes, etc. The tools have opened up a much larger space for us to explore (the tools still don't blanket the entire space -- but i don't think Martin will be satisfied until they do), and over the last 5-6 years people have been exploring this space. Probably one of the biggest developments has seen the classification & understanding of the Mass Loaded designs... not that they weren't being built, i wonder how many designers build a tall-skinny BR and found that its response was not as expected?
The BIB is somewhere in the that space between the areas classically classified as Voigt pipe & Horn.
It is also of interest that this particular design highlited the need to be careful of the results the tool spit out and that the room cannot be taken out of the equation ... and may well have been at least partially responsible for the inclusion of some room effects being including as modeling options in the latst round of MJK sheets.
dave
Agreed. Lots of gray areas. For safety's sake now though, I follow GM's definition: all expanding pipes are effectively horns, so I just use that!
Scottmoose said:Agreed. Lots of gray areas. For safety's sake now though, I follow GM's definition: all expanding pipes are effectively horns, so I just use that!
YeeHaa, that means my OB-RLH is a horn after all.
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