I am very, very hopeful at this point. The abuse these people have suffered at the hands of every country in that region, along with their own corrupt "leadership" and the United Nations bureaucracy, must sadden any civilized person.
But these are a great people and their future is a bright one.
But these are a great people and their future is a bright one.
I've read that the Palestinian "government" is blooming...I think this a great opportunity to do something to revitalize the peace process....
I think he was a great leader for his nation.
It would have been treated as a great leader if he would have been an israeli or an american. He was treated as a great leader by most of his people. He didn't do anything worst than bush or sharon. Each fights for his nation. Each fight for himself as well. Implementation is different, since not everybody has the same means.
And not to forget, nobody is perfect.
It would have been treated as a great leader if he would have been an israeli or an american. He was treated as a great leader by most of his people. He didn't do anything worst than bush or sharon. Each fights for his nation. Each fight for himself as well. Implementation is different, since not everybody has the same means.
And not to forget, nobody is perfect.
I think he would have been thrown in jail if he was an Israeli or American...in both America and Israël there is rule of law.
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roibm said:
He is (was) one of the richest men in the world.
Now the fight is for his fortune.
I find quite typical that a leader of a 3rd world nation is very rich.😀
Corruption?
Naaaaah...
While they are very rich their own people are miserable.
Anyway, he could have stopped Entifada and terrorism and he didn't.
That's not what I would call a good leader for his nation.
Iraelis and Americans also are very guilty in all this process.
The only man that was on the right path to make peace was Israeli and was murdered by another... Israeli.
I do believe they found a common ground(Yitzhak and Arafat). They were buiding together a way towards peace. After this we can say anything we want, they are both gone, so I guess we'll never know if it would have been possible, but sometimes I am optimistic.carlosfm said:The only man that was on the right path to make peace was Israeli and was murdered by another... Israeli.
One interesting thing is how Yitzhak's successor Peres, was beaten by Netanyahu, which promised slowing the peace process. I guess it is not only the palestinians who "don't want peace"(favorite il excuse).
He was a mudering pig, who was allowed to walk on the earth 30 years too long.
Does Munich '72 ring a bell?
Ask why his wife lives in luxury, on $100k/month in Paris, while his people live in squalor. He she will contine to draw a stipend from the PLO.
So, besides being a murdering pig, he was also a stinking hypocrite and a fraud.
Jocko
Does Munich '72 ring a bell?
Ask why his wife lives in luxury, on $100k/month in Paris, while his people live in squalor. He she will contine to draw a stipend from the PLO.
So, besides being a murdering pig, he was also a stinking hypocrite and a fraud.
Jocko
Just heard a report on that NPR network that I'm sure is too "liberal " for a lots of you, the "expert" said that he lived a very austere life according to many reports.
Apparently he give out much money personally- that way he bought loyalty. So, one can't assume that he has the billions.
New his wife does seem to be doing well- doesn't mean she has billions though. maybe only a few millions😀
Apparently he give out much money personally- that way he bought loyalty. So, one can't assume that he has the billions.
New his wife does seem to be doing well- doesn't mean she has billions though. maybe only a few millions😀
@ Variac
I didn't get it the first three times... maybe try posting it again!
Hehe! 😀
Cheers
Wayne
I didn't get it the first three times... maybe try posting it again!
Hehe! 😀
Cheers
Wayne
C'mon, Variac, you're a moderator, you should be able to clean up these messes!
Money-favoring is an essential element in Middle Eastern culture, and Arafat was quite skilled at it. If you ever have a chance, do read Pryce-Jones's "The Closed Circle." He does a fine job of outlining the underlying sociology. If Arafat's sponsors had understood this better, they wouldn't have been as outraged about the diversion of their money from their intended use to his.
Now that he's dead, my fearless prediction is a Palestinian Arab state, roughly along the lines of the Clinton/Barak agreement, within two years. Then the remaining 99.5% of the Arab world will have to find another excuse about why they're living in squalor while their overlords are living in palaces and shopping in Paris.
Money-favoring is an essential element in Middle Eastern culture, and Arafat was quite skilled at it. If you ever have a chance, do read Pryce-Jones's "The Closed Circle." He does a fine job of outlining the underlying sociology. If Arafat's sponsors had understood this better, they wouldn't have been as outraged about the diversion of their money from their intended use to his.
Now that he's dead, my fearless prediction is a Palestinian Arab state, roughly along the lines of the Clinton/Barak agreement, within two years. Then the remaining 99.5% of the Arab world will have to find another excuse about why they're living in squalor while their overlords are living in palaces and shopping in Paris.
It will be interesting to see just how relevant arafat was, king of terror 
or poster boy? 
I think his money kept him alive but I wander how much real power or influence he had over those suicide bombers
or poster boy? I think his money kept him alive but I wander how much real power or influence he had over those suicide bombers
carlosfm said:
Yes, I have him locked in my workshop, matching FETs. He's a smart guy, but every once in a while, I've got to hit him with a cattle prod, yelling, "Idss isn't enough! Get the gms matched, too!'
Indonesians and Turks don't seem to be as susceptible to this particular form of distraction as, say, Egyptians or Syrians.
There are plenty of grievances, real or imagined, to go round. Countries where the Muslim community is a significant minority as in the Philipines or where the leaders are certifiably insane as in Uzbekistan spring to mind.
BTW, the last place I would expect fundamentalism to take hold would be Syria. The Baathists are extremely efficient at snuffing it out. The fundamentalists would require some external assistance,as in Iraq, to gain a foothold.
BTW, the last place I would expect fundamentalism to take hold would be Syria. The Baathists are extremely efficient at snuffing it out. The fundamentalists would require some external assistance,as in Iraq, to gain a foothold.
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