Hi, I'm trying to repair a Yamaha P4500 power amplifier, Ch 1 is faulty, I need some schematics, if anyone have it...
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schematic P4500
http://schnake99.sc.funpic.de/schematics/yamaha/yamaha P3200 P4500/yamaha P3200 P4500.pdf
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http://schnake99.sc.funpic.de/schematics/yamaha/yamaha P3200 P4500/yamaha P3200 P4500.pdf
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I didn't need that as mine are fine, but it will be saved, just in case. Thank you kindly.
You don't have any more of the P series schematics do you as I have several different models?
You don't have any more of the P series schematics do you as I have several different models?
Thank you
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Hi. Does anyone know what the correct HT voltages should be?
One I have in at the moment has 140 Volt rails, which seems a bit high.
One I have in at the moment has 140 Volt rails, which seems a bit high.
Hi Pink. Thanks for the sensible suggestion.
Phoned Yamaha today and eventually spoke to Robin Ruston. He tells me they all but closed the service dept down and there is no longer anyone there with any knowledge of the P4500. Ho hum....
Phoned Yamaha today and eventually spoke to Robin Ruston. He tells me they all but closed the service dept down and there is no longer anyone there with any knowledge of the P4500. Ho hum....
Hello Toprepairman,
There is no voltage mentioned in the service manual of the P4500.
But if I look at the caps; 2200uF/160V, 140V dosn't need to be to high.
It's also a High Power Beast...
There is no voltage mentioned in the service manual of the P4500.
But if I look at the caps; 2200uF/160V, 140V dosn't need to be to high.
It's also a High Power Beast...
Hi Tarzan.
Yes agreed the caps are 160V, but given that manufacture provides for 100 or 160V then that's what they need to be.
I've taken a further look at the unit and have since decided that 140V is probably correct, the 24V olt rails are about right.
The problem is the PNP output devices keep failing and I suspect it's due to exceeding the Vce max of the devices. The ramp up waveform from the EEEngine looks correct when compared to the other channel.
If run at reduced mains Volts then all is well. if the supply is taken to full mains then all still Ok. But if the input signal is taken up to max with the output swinging rail to rail then another PNP device shorts out (due as far as I can see to excess Vce).
I have 56R resistors in the rails to limit current so don't get catastrophic failure and running into a 100R load.
Any ideas?
Yes agreed the caps are 160V, but given that manufacture provides for 100 or 160V then that's what they need to be.
I've taken a further look at the unit and have since decided that 140V is probably correct, the 24V olt rails are about right.
The problem is the PNP output devices keep failing and I suspect it's due to exceeding the Vce max of the devices. The ramp up waveform from the EEEngine looks correct when compared to the other channel.
If run at reduced mains Volts then all is well. if the supply is taken to full mains then all still Ok. But if the input signal is taken up to max with the output swinging rail to rail then another PNP device shorts out (due as far as I can see to excess Vce).
I have 56R resistors in the rails to limit current so don't get catastrophic failure and running into a 100R load.
Any ideas?
Looking at the specs, it only claims 460 Watts into 8 Ohms. I'm assuming that's RMS, though it doesn't actually say so.
Doing the maths the peak output volts is 86 volts. lets say we lose 10 Volts across the devices (it should be less then that) so thats 96 volt rails.
The transformer is very big so regulation should be in the 5% regeion but even if we allow 10%, then our unloaded rail doesn't need to be above 110 Volts. Ok be generous and a high mains voltage and we're looking at a max of 120 Volts. Hence my suspition of the measured 140 Volts.
Doing the maths the peak output volts is 86 volts. lets say we lose 10 Volts across the devices (it should be less then that) so thats 96 volt rails.
The transformer is very big so regulation should be in the 5% regeion but even if we allow 10%, then our unloaded rail doesn't need to be above 110 Volts. Ok be generous and a high mains voltage and we're looking at a max of 120 Volts. Hence my suspition of the measured 140 Volts.
are you in need of the service manual?
There is not much in it but it can help with the biasing.
If the pnp's are failing all the time; then there must be another problem with the drivers probably?
I doubt very much that Yamaha will deliver an amp with a problematic final stage.
And the other channel is working fine?
Must be someting else...
There is not much in it but it can help with the biasing.
If the pnp's are failing all the time; then there must be another problem with the drivers probably?
I doubt very much that Yamaha will deliver an amp with a problematic final stage.
And the other channel is working fine?
Must be someting else...
A service manual would help possibly, I only have a copy of the circuit.
Agreed these amps have a very good reputaion for reliability and there's no way Yamaha could have got away with selling so many of them if there was any question there.
No there's definitly a fault but it's hiding itself well.
The other channel is fine, and the owner has had this unit from new.
It just died on one channel and he continued to use the other channel with no problems.
Agreed these amps have a very good reputaion for reliability and there's no way Yamaha could have got away with selling so many of them if there was any question there.
No there's definitly a fault but it's hiding itself well.
The other channel is fine, and the owner has had this unit from new.
It just died on one channel and he continued to use the other channel with no problems.
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