I think this is all showing that the most important part of the spectrum is bass. I bet you could tell the difference below 360hz. I guess mirange really isn't that important nor directivity. Wow imagine how disappointed S.L. the wave guiders and the full Rangers will be. You've taken them all out in one fell swoop! Maybe just test them 360hz and below? 🙂
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I think this is all showing that the most important part of the spectrum is bass. I bet you could tell the difference below 360hz. I guess mirange really isn't that important
Midrange is always related with distortion, cone breakup. Our ears are sensitive in this frequency range, and the nature of cone driver is to produce break-up at around this frequency. (May be big dome like the ATC is the exception).
What kind of differences are you expecting to hear in the midrange frequency??
So here we are: the most CONTRASTY drivers matchup so far.
Voxativ AC-1.6
v.s.
Eminence Kappalite 3010MB
Pro against HiFi
10'' midbass against 8'' fullrange
180$ against 1300$
Really not in comfort zone against perfectly in comfort zone
...also installed in the Cube:
Visaton FR10
Radian 950PB w/Be + short horn
Voxativ AC-1.6
v.s.
Eminence Kappalite 3010MB
Pro against HiFi
10'' midbass against 8'' fullrange
180$ against 1300$
Really not in comfort zone against perfectly in comfort zone
...also installed in the Cube:
Visaton FR10
Radian 950PB w/Be + short horn
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Here is the EQ'd Eminence Kappa 3010MB response (1/24 octave resolution)
Same as always: bandpass crossover 360hz @ 7,200hz (48db/oct slope)
Same as always: bandpass crossover 360hz @ 7,200hz (48db/oct slope)
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and now the EQ'd Voxativ AC-1.6
(do not mind the SPL... i level-matched both with a calibrated mic)
(do not mind the SPL... i level-matched both with a calibrated mic)
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Ok.
Can we all agree that participants WHO DO NOT identify those two drivers shouldnt be allowed in the audiophile's club ?

Can we all agree that participants WHO DO NOT identify those two drivers shouldnt be allowed in the audiophile's club ?

No, seriously. We need some ground rules here. We need to draw a line.
But frankly, i don't even expect a 100% results from all participants. Somewhere north of 85% would be a miracle.
But frankly, i don't even expect a 100% results from all participants. Somewhere north of 85% would be a miracle.
Midrange is always related with distortion, cone breakup. Our ears are sensitive in this frequency range, and the nature of cone driver is to produce break-up at around this frequency. (May be big dome like the ATC is the exception).
What kind of differences are you expecting to hear in the midrange frequency??
I have not done the testing, so I'm not really surprised I did not hear a difference. 🙂 I'm a little surprised the directivity/power response did not expose some of the drivers, hard to draw much of a conclusion yet. It has inspired me to do some experimentation of my own.
impulse mode
sweep tone
1/12 octave
100 @ 10khz bandwith
Guess which is which 😉
Made the best i could but i'm limited to 6 EQ band for each...
sweep tone
1/12 octave
100 @ 10khz bandwith
Guess which is which 😉
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Made the best i could but i'm limited to 6 EQ band for each...
How? You don't think we have all heard these b.s. theories a thousand times. Science shows you guys are all full of c**p. 🙂
😉
I'm a little surprised the directivity/power response did not expose some of the drivers
Why/how should directivity/power response affect the result?
So here we are: the most CONTRASTY drivers matchup so far.
If people can spot the Dayton RS225, why not this?
Guess which is which 😉
Eminence has less HF at 5kHz and above. This should be audible.
No, seriously. We need some ground rules here. We need to draw a line.
But frankly, i don't even expect a 100% results from all participants. Somewhere north of 85% would be a miracle.
You know, this has been done thousand times before, but no one get the right conclusion. At best, they got the right hypothesis, but still is a hypothesis. 😀
I would say an amplifiers ability for dynamics, which is current related and not measurable with distortion, would have an affect on a drivers signature. Would it be significant for this testing? I can't answer that for single drivers. With a full speaker, yes, it would.
Yes, one variable, the most critical one, from the amp has been removed (trans-conductance/damping). But there are still other variables: distortion, noise floor, linearity.
I only read random posts in this thread, but do we have a winner ? or say a top 3 ?
Don't tell me it depends ???
Thanks.
Srinath.
Don't tell me it depends ???
Thanks.
Srinath.
can we see the Vox. 100-20k bandwith?
thanks
you should check on Voxativ website for that kind of info
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