gmilitano said:Hi Dave, I imagine you keep the pair twisted.
No. I very purposely untwist & separate them. It is the hardest part of using Cat 5
dave
seriously
Is it a joke? I ask for advice. Some recommends Cardas 11, some Acoustic Zen. Anybody got experience?
planet10 said:Amplifier?
I like to use a single separated pair of wires out of a Cat 5 bundle. Ceratinly a cost/performance leader.
dave
Is it a joke? I ask for advice. Some recommends Cardas 11, some Acoustic Zen. Anybody got experience?
No, I assure you, it's not a joke. Expensive wire is a mugs game -it's mostly marketing waffle containing half-truths, perhaps a little incorrectly applied science, and downright lies. You can save a fortune by making your own wire. A pair of 24AWG conductors extracted from a run of Cat5, and untwisted (to lower the capacitance), and then stuck between a couple of bits of tape works as well, or better than, some of the most insanely priced wire available when using FR drivers.
Well....
So you suppose to use this also for connecting amp and speaker? And this will sound great?
Scottmoose said:No, I assure you, it's not a joke. Expensive wire is a mugs game -it's mostly marketing waffle containing half-truths, perhaps a little incorrectly applied science, and downright lies. You can save a fortune by making your own wire. A pair of 24AWG conductors extracted from a run of Cat5, and untwisted (to lower the capacitance), and then stuck between a couple of bits of tape works as well, or better than, some of the most insanely priced wire available when using FR drivers.
So you suppose to use this also for connecting amp and speaker? And this will sound great?
what about some 8 conductor ribbon cable, use the outer wire or 2 for each pole, leave the middle 6 or 4 disconnected. It would be neater than all of that sticky tape.
About Cardas and the like:
Those cables are just jewelery. Nothing wrong with jewelery if you like it, It's like putting polished gold plated hubcaps on your car. The aerodynamic profile will produce acceleration with more authority than ever before. Also putting Evian in the radiator makes the transients more dramatic and spirited in mountainous passages.
Just look at the size of the internal wiring in the speaker, the thickness of the leads on the capacitors in the crossover, the thickness of the voice coil wire. for a 3 or 4 metre cable cat 5 is big enough. Longer use 2 pairs. Or use mains extension cord cable with the plugs cut off, it's available in many spouse friendly colours.
Don't bother will all of that crazy braiding of cat5, it increases the capacitance and can make your amplifier go silly.
About Cardas and the like:
Those cables are just jewelery. Nothing wrong with jewelery if you like it, It's like putting polished gold plated hubcaps on your car. The aerodynamic profile will produce acceleration with more authority than ever before. Also putting Evian in the radiator makes the transients more dramatic and spirited in mountainous passages.
Just look at the size of the internal wiring in the speaker, the thickness of the leads on the capacitors in the crossover, the thickness of the voice coil wire. for a 3 or 4 metre cable cat 5 is big enough. Longer use 2 pairs. Or use mains extension cord cable with the plugs cut off, it's available in many spouse friendly colours.
Don't bother will all of that crazy braiding of cat5, it increases the capacitance and can make your amplifier go silly.
Brilliant! You are right maybe as in studio dollar/meter cables used. My vintage (late 60-s)DECCA L300 monitor does not care of cables and plays in his own manner on all of them.OzMikeH said:The aerodynamic profile will produce acceleration with more authority than ever before. Also putting Evian in the radiator makes the transients more dramatic and spirited in mountainous passages.
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Scottmoose said:There you go then.
Another good trick is to use enamelled copper wire, available for very little money from the local elecronics store. Works fine. What amplifier are you running?
Amplifier is tube sinle-ended Almarro A205A MkII.
Don't go thinner than 24AWG conductors then, as your amp already will have a fairly low DF. The straightened Cat5 should be ideal as internal cable, and if the speaker cable is about 3m or less, good for that too. If you need a longer run, I'd suggest either the enamelled copper wire (18AWG would be good), or solid core twin + earth mains cable.
OzMikeH said:Those cables are just jewelery. Nothing wrong with jewelery if you like it, It's like putting polished gold plated hubcaps on your car.
Some of the expensive wire is valid but alot of it is someone trying to take advantage of the market. Which is which takes listening. The problem is that much of it is silly expensive, wire can be very system dependent so you have to listen to it in context to see if it does the job, and not many people have the where-with-all to test big buck wire in-situ.
So i take the frugal-phile(tm) approach. I lean on the billions of miles of Cat 5 to buy inexpensive (actually if you know where to ask it rarely costs anything) very pure, very consitently sized wire. If it were one off audiophile cable it would likely cost 100-1000x as much just due to economies of scale.
We started with lots and ended up preferring single strand separated. Now we are playing with cyro.
dave
planet10 said:
We started with lots and ended up preferring single strand separated.
dave
When you say single strand separated, do you mean one Cat5 cable containing all 4 twisted pairs? Or do you mean just taking one twisted pair out of the cat5 cable and separating it?
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