Moderating any forum is a pitiless job, i know having done it previously elsewhere 
I guess that as i have never upset anyone here i think they do a decent job & in all honesty considering the size of the forum, they do a brilliant job
The head mod would be Administrators All moderators are equal...
Well they should be at any rate, no animal farm here
I guess that as i have never upset anyone here i think they do a decent job & in all honesty considering the size of the forum, they do a brilliant job The head mod would be Administrators
All moderators are equal...Well they should be at any rate, no animal farm here
Hey no politics , well apart from DIY politics ...
yur 'probly safe.
you got the Capital in the Right place .
( the C, as in Canada )
wasn't Oz set up as a prison colony ?
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Guys, honestly, Cal is actually the nicer one of us
I dont understand all this, just because of a few deleted posts
I will spare Wayne, and not show the last post he had removed
But I could, and it would be clear to all that moderation was absolute just, and fair to other members
Consider that there was no further action taken
Next step would be infraction points
Please consider that we are not here to punish people
Neither are we set to "rule", as some imply
Our job is to protect the members, and prevent forum degeneration
Simple as that
Well POST UP WHAT WAS SO OFFENSIVE ABOUT MINE, to have the entire post removed ..... Interesting to know ...
considering Patrick post was rude and was never removed nor edited..Also agree with moondog, we should be able to discuss freely in here, after all it's the lounge ...
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But you won't, leaving it unclear for all.
So what was the point in saying you could?
se
You will just have to trust our judgement
To simply delete say an insulting post, solves several issues at once
Post have been dealt with
And any poster should be able learn from it
A member having a post removed, is still free to post immediately after
Still, to edit a post is a much worse intervention
Consider that if editing a post we might get into difficulties, like altering the point of the post
A post could end up meaning something else, getting a different turn, or whatever
Editing other members posts is simply not a good way
Deleting a post is not very good either, but its still the best option
btw, have you ever had a teacher who was kind enough to correct your errors, before evaluating and giving grades
A strong guideline for all mods is that posts not be edited (except for janitor work -- fixing broken links, formatting, or really bad spelling). If there is anything objectional in a post the whole thing gets turfed regardless of how much good the tech there was in it.
The onus is on the poster.
dave
I PM'd a.wayne previously asking him what it was he said that got the post deleted.
He said he didn't know and that he wasn't told.
What's there to learn in that?
se
I certainly see the benefit of that policy, but it also hides any trace of bad behavior. Editing the post to the extent of just leaving "Post obliterated due to not playing nice" would
- Make it clear that something was removed
- Possibly achieve a bit of public shame.
I do realize there's just so much you can expect the mods to do, and some people just don't seem to have the ability to conform to a civil conversation online (or even face to face).
Most if not all forums are the same to some degree, i guess. There are those allowed to express themselves and the rest is allowed to follow, criticism of the former generates censorship or worst expulsion of the latter, no explanation is necessary, none needed ! Protocol !
To understand this silent Protocol and it's limits, is to allow one to wander the sandbox " freely " unperturbed and in total compliance ...
It is the way........
To understand this silent Protocol and it's limits, is to allow one to wander the sandbox " freely " unperturbed and in total compliance ...
It is the way........
Actually this is the old rules text, as I copied below. We wait for a review and maybe changes by the administration at a point, that is why it is not centrally posted high in the folder tree as yet.
FORUM RULES
1) No personal attacks or bullying. If you disagree with what someone is saying, then present a mature and intelligent case to prove otherwise. Malicious intent will not be tolerated. What you do over private email is one thing, what you do on our forum is another.
2) No offensive language. Sure, most of us use four letter words in normal conversation without too much thinking, but this forum is about thinking. Words are the clothes in which thought is dressed. And luckily, these threads are cheap (pun intended) so please choose language that reflects the quality of your ideas.
3) No threadjacking. Threadjacking is the practise of stealing another's thread by posting off-topic replies such that the original topic becomes diluted or lost. Off-topic posts, and even more importantly replies to off-topic posts, are welcome, but should also address the original thread topic.
Some of the greatest discussions have come as a result of off-topic replies. If something interesting does arise that warrants further discussion then continue your discussion privately over email, or even better start a new thread and link to it. This rule will of course be used with discretion.
4) No posting of safety endangering information without an accompanying safety-warning message that adequately explains the risks
5) Usage of multiple registrations for the same person and/or same internet access account is not permitted without prior approval of the site, and may result in a permanent ban of the individual and/or account holder.
6) Topics unrelated to audio or electronics should be confined to the Off Topic section. Discussions of politics, ethnicity, religion, or other divisive issues are not permitted and will be removed, without notice, at our discretion.
Violation of forum rules will result in users having their accounts suspended and/or terminated, at the discretion of the moderators.
These 6 rules will be enforced in good faith to keep the discussion quality level and the level of peer respect, high.
MODERATION OF DIYAUDIO.COM
diyAudio.com is a place for all members of the DIY audio community to ask for help and share their knowledge. Several members of the community have been appointed as forum moderators. This is a distinctly separate role from their participation as members in the forum.
It is a moderators role to enforce the forum rules. As such, moderators should lead by example through intelligent posting and polite communication.
It is not a moderators role to ask users to prove the quality of their arguments through empirical evidence, that is the role of the community (and the moderators may of course still participate as members of the community). The moderators will use their best faculties to separate their own personal opinion when analysing whether posts contain worthless or irrelevant information and should be removed.
Any comments in regards to moderator behaviour should be sent privately via email to webmaster@diyaudio.com.
MODERATORS STATEMENT
It has come to our attention that some people are being naughty.
We do not want naughty boys
We may have to give you a serious warning
We may have to put you in the sin bin for a week or two
If you offend several times, we may have to kick you out
Some things we do not like are:
Telling people where to get porn
Being rude to other members
Using F word or C word
Deliberately moving threads off topic
Intimidating new members
Posting non factual information
Omitting safety information if applicable
Being a pest to other members
Posting with caps lock on.
We like good discussion. We have a hands-off policy towards some noise and some chaos and some members being a little bit picky. But not at the expense of making the forum bad news for the majority.
We want members to feel safe walking down the street. We want members to feel they can post without being attacked.
It works like this:
New members should be able to come here without being slapped down the first time they post. Even if it's a stupid question. Even if they cannot spell. Even if they don't know where the caps lock key is on their keyboard. They are new-comers. Treat them right. There is nothing wrong with holding off a few posts and then suggest they put new batteries in their spell checker or consider doing some work for themselves but give them a chance to settle in. You would like that courtesy yourself.
If you feel someone is wrong please don't call them an ******** or a dipstick or "don't you know any $%$#@^&ing thing".
It's not polite.
You are quite welcome to think all those things to yourself and a few more choice comments, but please engage brain before putting your keyboard to work. This is a DIY group, not an insulting group.
If you feel you have a desperate need to post where to get porn on the internet please do not insult our intelligence because we all know. Those who know, don't need to be told. Those who don't, we are not going to tell them. It is an automatic sin bin offence.
We have an automatic parser, which replaces F word and C word with ****. So far since being tightened up it has intercepted 52 F words. We are not prudes, we know guys speak with enthusiasm but sometimes what makes a point in speech looks pretty bad in print. Sorry but those words are out. We don't recommend you try and circumvent our parser because there will be a moderator waiting for you on the other side.
We have 2891 members, 4947 threads, 48221 posts and over a million views. If you put 2891 people in a room and turned off the lights quite a number would end up seriously injured. They would never come back so we loose members. Some of the more experienced members get exasperated with some fellows running around causing mayhem. A lot of new guys come here to learn, not to get pushed around.
We are not trying to spoil your fun, just turning the lights up a bit so we can spot the troublemakers.
There are 8 moderators. All over 7 feet tall. All over 17 stone. All trained athletes with bulging muscles and hair trigger reflexes. Each moderator is equipped with two low slung colt 45's, night vision glasses and armour piercing tracer shells. But they are kindly people. Anyone can call on a moderator to help out. If you have a complaint, email the webmaster. If you have a suggestion to improve the site, email the webmaster. If you want a free diyAudio.com T-shirt email the webmaster. (There are no free T-shirts - Jason ).
Respectfully,
The diyAudio Moderators
Point is surely that all human groups have rules written or unwritten about how that group wishes to communicate between themselves. If you transgress those rules or norms, you have to accept that your relationship with that group will change. I drop by here for friendly discussion, not read some troll bloviating about their current obsession. Do you swear if front of your gran? Of course not! Therefore you are aware of the need to modify social behaviour.
hmmmm - I haven't seen the discussion that led to the deletion but I have seen the mods warn, guide and direct members before taking direct action. This includes Cal. Most famously in recent times Cal warned he would close the cable thread at 10,000. I note with interest that it is now at 13,000 odd and climbing.
IMO and based on the actions of mods that I have seen in other threads, you would need to be seriously socially unaware to have no clue at all about why a post was removed...
IMO and based on the actions of mods that I have seen in other threads, you would need to be seriously socially unaware to have no clue at all about why a post was removed...
Or just want to play barracks lawyer. There's a lot of that, especially among people who are likely to get posts pulled.
This discussion is possibly more interesting than the thread pull that started it.
I must say that being unable to bag politicians is a serious deletion tho, one of my favourite sports is bagging our elected officials.
It is like telling Melburnians not to pick on Collingwood ( The football team every-one loves to hate)
I must say that being unable to bag politicians is a serious deletion tho, one of my favourite sports is bagging our elected officials.
It is like telling Melburnians not to pick on Collingwood ( The football team every-one loves to hate)
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While the post wasn't deleted, I was recently issued a "yellow card" and 35 points toward the 100 points before one is put in the "penalty box" for a week for simply laughing at a comment that was laughable.
This was deemed "disrespectful behavior." And ironically, the laughable comment that I laughed at was made by one of the more disrespectful individuals on diyAudio.
So be forewarned. Don't laugh at laughable comments.
se
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