Re: That was a close one!
These posts by LC might have had something to do with it.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=203699#post203699
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=203719#post203719
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=203757#post203757
Fred,Fred Dieckmann said:
These posts by LC might have had something to do with it.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=203699#post203699
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=203719#post203719
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=203757#post203757
Fred,
I keep trying to understand what your true purpose really is.
Someone came to the forum and was willing to share information (including schematics) about their commercial products and you with your BS games have run them off. What is the point?
Clearly, you are very bright. Unfortunately for you, you certainly don't know everything. Why is it impossible for you to just contribute to the forum in a constructive manner and not constantly irritate others? Has it ever occurred to you that a truly wise man listens more than he speaks?
You wrote
Actually, I am a fan of yours to a certain point. WHEN you're on topic and actually contributing substance other than noise, your posts are outstanding and often add a humorous touch. I have no doubt that you know volumes more than I and that I could learn a lot from you. Unfortunately, the WHEN on topic has to be applied much too often...
My frustration lies in exactly what has just transpired here. Once again someone who came here for fun (just as both you and I have) has been driven away. WE HAVE BOTH LOST HERE AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE! Don't you get that?
This made me smile because of your misinterpretation. I was referring to the post you made regarding Lars in which you included a link to his website... You on the other hand were referring to your own linking of commercial products you were involved with... Why is it ok for you to link to commercial products, whether or not current, but not ok for others to do so? Don't you think you were still advertising for the company, it's designers, etc? Please explain my distortion of the facts...
What do you think he did in his first post? Did you actually take the time to read it? You have taken this out of context and jumped to the end of the thread. He never stated that he had any problem with us looking at his clock design. Further, he actually helped us by sharing which parts he used...
Like Rod quoted above, I feel that his contributions were great. He was new here and learning about the forum and sharing ideas. Whether you like Lars or the LC Audio products is up to you and I would encourage you to keep your feelings private. What is NOT your right is to speak for me or anyone else here regarding how we feel. If I had been unhappy with anything that he had posted, I'm a big boy and could have commented myself. Further, the lack of any supporting posts backing your point up should speak volumes to you.
Once again, I would encourage you to consider the fact that perhaps your opinions are worded very strongly and upon translation might be offensive. Why not instead welcome everyone here regardless of whether they use their company name or not and just have a good time and learn?
It makes me angry that you have run someone off who perhaps might have been a resource willing to help me with a project. You have no right to do that and that is where you have overstepped your bounds.
Frankly I don't appreciate it.
I keep trying to understand what your true purpose really is.
Someone came to the forum and was willing to share information (including schematics) about their commercial products and you with your BS games have run them off. What is the point?
Clearly, you are very bright. Unfortunately for you, you certainly don't know everything. Why is it impossible for you to just contribute to the forum in a constructive manner and not constantly irritate others? Has it ever occurred to you that a truly wise man listens more than he speaks?
You wrote
Actually, I am a fan of yours to a certain point. WHEN you're on topic and actually contributing substance other than noise, your posts are outstanding and often add a humorous touch. I have no doubt that you know volumes more than I and that I could learn a lot from you. Unfortunately, the WHEN on topic has to be applied much too often...
My frustration lies in exactly what has just transpired here. Once again someone who came here for fun (just as both you and I have) has been driven away. WE HAVE BOTH LOST HERE AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE! Don't you get that?
This made me smile because of your misinterpretation. I was referring to the post you made regarding Lars in which you included a link to his website... You on the other hand were referring to your own linking of commercial products you were involved with... Why is it ok for you to link to commercial products, whether or not current, but not ok for others to do so? Don't you think you were still advertising for the company, it's designers, etc? Please explain my distortion of the facts...
What do you think he did in his first post? Did you actually take the time to read it? You have taken this out of context and jumped to the end of the thread. He never stated that he had any problem with us looking at his clock design. Further, he actually helped us by sharing which parts he used...
Like Rod quoted above, I feel that his contributions were great. He was new here and learning about the forum and sharing ideas. Whether you like Lars or the LC Audio products is up to you and I would encourage you to keep your feelings private. What is NOT your right is to speak for me or anyone else here regarding how we feel. If I had been unhappy with anything that he had posted, I'm a big boy and could have commented myself. Further, the lack of any supporting posts backing your point up should speak volumes to you.
Once again, I would encourage you to consider the fact that perhaps your opinions are worded very strongly and upon translation might be offensive. Why not instead welcome everyone here regardless of whether they use their company name or not and just have a good time and learn?
It makes me angry that you have run someone off who perhaps might have been a resource willing to help me with a project. You have no right to do that and that is where you have overstepped your bounds.
Frankly I don't appreciate it.
I keep trying to understand what your true purpose really is.
My purpose in this case is to not have someone abuse the forum for commercial purposes. Roddyama has posted links that
I believe he intended to show the overt intention of Mr. Clausen to discuss his products and company. This is an abuse of the good will of members offering free advice, who see others using the forum trying to make a buck. People are going to use advice here for use in commercial products, that's a given. Some of us are being more careful about how much advice we give, when we see increasing numbers of people using the forum to do their R and D. Picking up a tid bit here and there is fine, but people start lengthy threads with very specific questions with the intent of developing products and PCBs (based on the uncredited research of others or even rip offs of commercial designs) to sell using the forum as their marketing tool. There have some blatant abusers of this practice and it is angering some members of the forum who wish to come here as a hobbyist and not to buy and sell. If you have an audio company, people know who you are. There are enough search engine reference and links from this and other sites, that we do not need to be spammed or have people ask questions posing as a hobbyist and then using in commercial products. Maybe some of these fuzzy boundaries between business and pleasure need to be better defined by Jason and the moderators. I am not the only one concerned about this and receive Email from others complaining about the same people I complain about on the forum regarding this matter.
"It makes me angry that you have run someone off who perhaps might have been a resource willing to help me with a project."
I believe his website and Email address are known to you and you can still ask him for his help. Perhaps he is on other forums as well. If he was really here as a hobbyist and not just for the marketing opportunity, I am sure there are avenues where he can talk to other hobbyist in the same manner that almost all of the dialog on the forum occurs. He did not ask him to leave and don't make policy or the rules for DIYaudio. Come back as Lars the hobbyist and not as LC Audio the marketing division, and I will welcome him with open arms. I really would like to know how others feel about commercialism creeping into this forum. I thought it was the Do It Yourself audio forum and not the Dollars In Your pocket forum.
BTW your bias is as high as that of the output stage on one of Grey's amps......... please don't let your temperature follow.
My purpose in this case is to not have someone abuse the forum for commercial purposes. Roddyama has posted links that
I believe he intended to show the overt intention of Mr. Clausen to discuss his products and company. This is an abuse of the good will of members offering free advice, who see others using the forum trying to make a buck. People are going to use advice here for use in commercial products, that's a given. Some of us are being more careful about how much advice we give, when we see increasing numbers of people using the forum to do their R and D. Picking up a tid bit here and there is fine, but people start lengthy threads with very specific questions with the intent of developing products and PCBs (based on the uncredited research of others or even rip offs of commercial designs) to sell using the forum as their marketing tool. There have some blatant abusers of this practice and it is angering some members of the forum who wish to come here as a hobbyist and not to buy and sell. If you have an audio company, people know who you are. There are enough search engine reference and links from this and other sites, that we do not need to be spammed or have people ask questions posing as a hobbyist and then using in commercial products. Maybe some of these fuzzy boundaries between business and pleasure need to be better defined by Jason and the moderators. I am not the only one concerned about this and receive Email from others complaining about the same people I complain about on the forum regarding this matter.
"It makes me angry that you have run someone off who perhaps might have been a resource willing to help me with a project."
I believe his website and Email address are known to you and you can still ask him for his help. Perhaps he is on other forums as well. If he was really here as a hobbyist and not just for the marketing opportunity, I am sure there are avenues where he can talk to other hobbyist in the same manner that almost all of the dialog on the forum occurs. He did not ask him to leave and don't make policy or the rules for DIYaudio. Come back as Lars the hobbyist and not as LC Audio the marketing division, and I will welcome him with open arms. I really would like to know how others feel about commercialism creeping into this forum. I thought it was the Do It Yourself audio forum and not the Dollars In Your pocket forum.
BTW your bias is as high as that of the output stage on one of Grey's amps......... please don't let your temperature follow.
It is a great pity that Lars has been driven away. LC Audio are responsible for some of the most innovative designs of recent years and it is very rare for a manufacturer to be so willing to make available schematics and discuss in detail their current products.
There was no secret regarding which company he represents, nothing underhand so surely we can each make our own judgements about what his motives for contributing were.
There was no secret regarding which company he represents, nothing underhand so surely we can each make our own judgements about what his motives for contributing were.
I don't believe you are a moderator here nor were you appointed the site guardian by the members. You could have emailed your advice to Lars in private if you felt strongly about it.
Pretty much defeats the idea of a forum don't you think? What about the next guy who is interested in asking the same question?
Please explain the difference between Lars linking to a preamp schematic on his site and Nelson mentioning or linking to the Aleph schematics on his site? How about JCarr linking to Lyra? How would you regard the PassDIY site?
Pink has started a "Commercial Postings on diyAudio" thread discussing this topic. Look here:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11124
Personally, I don't want to have to be searching in several places to find information just because someone owns an audio company.
This is exactly the reason that I responded in the manner that I did. It is because your signal to noise ratio as of late is about 1 to 99; with 1 being signal and 99 being BS. Combine that fact with driving away new members and it illustrates the problem. THE PROBLEM IS NOT EVERYONE ELSE!
You might ask yourself exactly why I have a bias and where it came from? Considering that I have never met you and have only interacted with you on this forum, has it ever occurred to you that your own actions have precipitated my bias? I would submit to you your constant badgering and condescending attitute as a starting point for your consideration.
And yes, I know the fact that the high bias AlephX thread has 300,000 views and was started by someone else is something that you just can't stand...
Bottom line - you chose to drive away a new member and that is unacceptable!
Driven away?????
Looks like he has thin skin, and turned tail. After only 2 days.
There are forum members who have been routinely berated by some of us.....in public......yet they didn't up and leave. We even exchange polite e-mails in private, while continuing to feud in public.
We can exchange ideas with people that we have disagreements with, and we will continue to do so.....as will they. Even if it seems to get personal, we all still manage to survive.
No, I'm afraid that this individual found the kitchen too warm, and fled. He even went as far as making derogatory remarks about me, which were removed by the moderators, without my knowledge.
Your move........bub.
Jocko
Looks like he has thin skin, and turned tail. After only 2 days.
There are forum members who have been routinely berated by some of us.....in public......yet they didn't up and leave. We even exchange polite e-mails in private, while continuing to feud in public.
We can exchange ideas with people that we have disagreements with, and we will continue to do so.....as will they. Even if it seems to get personal, we all still manage to survive.
No, I'm afraid that this individual found the kitchen too warm, and fled. He even went as far as making derogatory remarks about me, which were removed by the moderators, without my knowledge.
Your move........bub.
Jocko
As the moderator in question, what I removed was not an insult directed at you, but a common, tasteless, and inappropriate joke about your handle. And I was invited to do so by Lars, who in private email, was quite friendly, polite, and accomodating.
Dude, you really ought to think about changing it- Jocko Moe?
Dude, you really ought to think about changing it- Jocko Moe?
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