Well, there you go again, being Mr Logical and showing off.😉
That's DR Logical, Your Honor. 😀
4 major surgeries in 18 months, 6 hours under general anesthesia in October alone, and I'm still not "Better...stronger...faster", (well, maybe somewhat better 1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess) and I am still here, alive and kicking. Now to get my mojo back (working on that). Learning to trust external medical "providers" is a difficult task when you're under the knife, especially knowing what I know about healthcare. Latest full body CT yesterday shows NED so another 3 month reprieve. Insurance sucks
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I have only been on this forum for 5 months but I have seen a disturbing trend of people who are seemingly offended by science. I see snarky posts by people towards scientific posts by others. Do we need to start labelling posts with (science) for people who actually want to have a professional and respectful discussion on a given topic without woo woo or scientifically ignorant opinion?
There is a place for new and unproven ideas but the only reason we are the technologically advanced society that we are today is because of the idea's that were explored with science. Personal opinions alone have not gotten us to where we are. You're brain is fooling you all the time! Heck what you are looking at right now is an illusion that your brain is creating with 2 different images from each of your eyes!
I don't want to rant, it is late, but I feel like this point really needs to get out into this forum. There is a divide and we need to realize it, discuss it, and possibly act on it.
Sorry I did not read all the replies, so I don't know mine is duplicate of others'.
But welcome to the internet. No matter what you (or they) post, there will be woo woo. The longer you live with the internet, the better you sort out only posts that are useful for you, or the easier you can ignore those woo woos.
Anyone can post here. You're going to get wingnuts. If you start a thread and declare in the first post that the discussion is intended to have a scientific basis it is your prerogative to ask people contributing non scientific opinions to stay on topic. Unfortunately its only the moderators who can really enforce anything here.
I imagine if you want to have a discussion which is EXCLUSIVE to people who truly understand scientific discourse you'll have to find another venue. Would be interesting.
I imagine if you want to have a discussion which is EXCLUSIVE to people who truly understand scientific discourse you'll have to find another venue. Would be interesting.
I remember a similar response to such complaints, "Welcome to Usenet."... welcome to the internet.
I remember a similar response to such complaints, "Welcome to Usenet."
rec.audio from the pre-Web, pre-'edu' days lives on.
Latest full body CT yesterday shows NED so another 3 month reprieve.
Congrats. That sounds like one heck of a time.
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Also somewhat agree with the guys saying welcome to the internet. But different parts of the internet have different norms, different subcultures. We decide how we want ours to be.
still here, alive and kicking.
Hi John,
having worked in that line of business and having witnessed a lot of folks with LMS and any other kind of sarcoma, I've only seen the surface of the impact it must have had on your life over the last two years.
Just hang in there, be the Bad-A you can be, buddy.
(Pano, no evidence of disease is a professional term, they're fond of abbreviations in the med world)
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"Who here actually understands and respects science"?
Personally I have always wanted to make an active attempt to understand science, so I have read and studied scientific literature all my life. My depth of understanding is a rather general one rather than a deep one of of any particular science.
Do I 'respect' science?
Of course; it's method of discovering what the universe 'is' and 'what' it is made of and how everything 'works' cannot be beaten. The scientific method of exploration is ultimately the best way of separating 'objectively' and 'subjectively' true statements. (as long as one accepts that it mostly only applies to our 'human scale' frame of reference)
In relation to the topic of all things 'audio' related, what proportion can be said to be 'subjectively' or 'objectively' true, and therefore based on scientific fact?
I would say, mostly the former!
Personally I have always wanted to make an active attempt to understand science, so I have read and studied scientific literature all my life. My depth of understanding is a rather general one rather than a deep one of of any particular science.
Do I 'respect' science?
Of course; it's method of discovering what the universe 'is' and 'what' it is made of and how everything 'works' cannot be beaten. The scientific method of exploration is ultimately the best way of separating 'objectively' and 'subjectively' true statements. (as long as one accepts that it mostly only applies to our 'human scale' frame of reference)
In relation to the topic of all things 'audio' related, what proportion can be said to be 'subjectively' or 'objectively' true, and therefore based on scientific fact?
I would say, mostly the former!
I am still here, alive and kicking.
Which is a terrific bottom line.
(In the bdsm galaxy, it would be a terrific top line. Or now that I think of it, bottom line for the bottom)
4 major surgeries in 18 months, 6 hours under general anesthesia in October alone, and I'm still not "Better...stronger...faster", (well, maybe somewhat better 1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess) and I am still here, alive and kicking. Now to get my mojo back (working on that). Learning to trust external medical "providers" is a difficult task when you're under the knife, especially knowing what I know about healthcare. Latest full body CT yesterday shows NED so another 3 month reprieve. Insurance sucks
Glad you're still here.
Regarding the subject at hand, arguments about science and method of such, tend to circle back to the subject of logic.
To deal with logic, we have to go home to where science and method was borne out of... and that is philosophy. Philosophy being the parent of science.
Philosophy being the key point, as it is about, in a grander sense than science... the definition of logic and then the development of it's systems, ie human box as witness and motion/reflection in said systems--- as a definition of consciousness.
Most aren't aware of the base considerations as most people simply launch outward and egotistically (based) from a box of unknowns (a human body) and they have not put any real energy into internal reflection on origins of what they are, or what consciousness is..... or how and what they launch from. fear blocked, origins blocked, wiring blocked. This is all normal for how the given consciousness grew from the small monkey meat box to the adult monkey meat box.
Intelligence and it's willful expansion in the given individual requires firstly that the box be exercised and stretched to new capacities thus the root motion into philosophy of existence ....to reach new heights in science, either individually or collectively.
ie, fundamentally flawed (science/method arguments) 'as monkey see monkey do', unconscious repeaters.... and then spout and expound on the idea of science... in a way that is wholly seated in ignorance and darkness. This describes over 99% of the people reading this, whether they wish to understand it, or not.
From this blankness comes the eventual arguments, that cannot help but appear due to fundamental ignorance in the core idea and understanding of self.
Thus, it is circular to speak of science and method, in the form of augmentative positioning, as it will roll round eternally without resolve, unless the persons involve retreat to the fundamental questions of philosophy ----regarding the ideas of existence itself (in the deepest minutia).
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Thanx. Appreciate the thought
Not necessarily. A bit presumptive and strawman-ish. You can do better
Redundant ^^ see above Cart B4 the horse... more or less
Redundant and oxymoronic ^^ see above
rest deleted... once you've "been down the rabbit hole" so to speak, clarity of vision and understanding become paramount. The rest is so much baggage. We should all reflect upon our "horizon of intellect"
How can "black holes" induce photonic emissions, if gravitational pull is so immense as to capture photons?
Scientists Observe Visible Light from Black Hole
BTW: How's the search for monatomicity going?
John L.
Glad you're still here.
Thanx. Appreciate the thought
Regarding the subject at hand, arguments about science and method of such, tend to circle back to the subject of logic.
Not necessarily. A bit presumptive and strawman-ish. You can do better
To deal with logic, we have to go home to where science and method was borne out of... and that is philosophy. Philosophy being the parent of science.
Redundant ^^ see above Cart B4 the horse... more or less
Philosophy being the key point, as it is about, in a grander sense than science... the definition of logic and then the development of it's systems, ie human box as witness and motion/reflection in said systems--- as a definition of consciousness.
Redundant and oxymoronic ^^ see above
rest deleted... once you've "been down the rabbit hole" so to speak, clarity of vision and understanding become paramount. The rest is so much baggage. We should all reflect upon our "horizon of intellect"
How can "black holes" induce photonic emissions, if gravitational pull is so immense as to capture photons?
Scientists Observe Visible Light from Black Hole
BTW: How's the search for monatomicity going?
John L.
rec.audio from the pre-Web, pre-'edu' days lives on.
Yep, and you can see all kinds of Arny Krueger rants there as well.
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