EDIT: I am also proposing in lieu of "do not like" a rating scale for posts or (better) threads like we had in the old software
I think the new "Like" button for posts is great. People can show their agreement of the ideas within a post with a single click instead of having to write a an entire follow up post that will appear later in the thread.
At the same time, I think it is only fair that there should be a "do not like" (thumbs down) button. For example, when someone is posting about some audio phoolery or giving bad advice this would be a way to show general approval or disapproval that might give the reader some hints about how to consider the content of the post. I understand that this might breed some negativity, but sometimes too much of a protected safe space is a bad thing.
Forum members, do you agree that posts should have a dislike button?
Is there another approach that might be use to voice concern about a post without posting a reply and getting into a flame war?
I think the new "Like" button for posts is great. People can show their agreement of the ideas within a post with a single click instead of having to write a an entire follow up post that will appear later in the thread.
At the same time, I think it is only fair that there should be a "do not like" (thumbs down) button. For example, when someone is posting about some audio phoolery or giving bad advice this would be a way to show general approval or disapproval that might give the reader some hints about how to consider the content of the post. I understand that this might breed some negativity, but sometimes too much of a protected safe space is a bad thing.
Forum members, do you agree that posts should have a dislike button?
Is there another approach that might be use to voice concern about a post without posting a reply and getting into a flame war?
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The old forum had the "stars" rating system for a post. Perhaps something similar to that, but intended to show confidence in the merits of the ideas in a post or thread might be what I am really looking for. It's not so much like or dislike, but rather "this is a good idea/concept" or not.
Mods, is a feature like that available in the current forum software?
Mods, is a feature like that available in the current forum software?
In the social online world, that is not a politically correct one 🙂
But it seem to work on UT so...
Yes, why not! I'm for it. It will probably make me post less posts that I later regret (happened a few times...) - this would be a good thing - I could instead of letting out steam, add a thumbs down. Its more "gentle"...
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But it seem to work on UT so...
Yes, why not! I'm for it. It will probably make me post less posts that I later regret (happened a few times...) - this would be a good thing - I could instead of letting out steam, add a thumbs down. Its more "gentle"...
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IMO, if I ever posted something that people disagreed with, I'd rather know why they disagree, rather than just that they don't "like" it, so I would not be in favour of this.
That way, not only to other readers get the benefit of seeing why not to take a particular post seriously, but I'd learn something too.
That way, not only to other readers get the benefit of seeing why not to take a particular post seriously, but I'd learn something too.
I agree with this. "Don't like" is a cop-out. If you disagree, you should be able to explain your position/reasoning.
Valid points. So instead of "dont' like" how about a thread rating scale of 1..5 or 1..10 like I mentioned in the second post in this thread?
I can see a purpose for the don't like buttons in that often threads based on opinion spiral into arguments rather than discussions. It would be a subtle way of saying "I don't agree on this take on this issue" without needing to get into an fight over who's opinion is more valid. Viewers of the thread could instantly see how popular of an opinion it is. While it is nice having people post contradictory opinions to get the full picture, that generally ends up being a long thread of bickering to wade through.
Back when youtube had thumb down as an option, it was helpful because if I was looking for a how-to video I could quickly dismiss the ones that had a lot of downvotes vs upvotes as likely being the wrong advice, without reading all the toxic comments to try to discern the overall take on it.
If I post a thread about how speakers sound better underwater then everyone could see quickly that nobody agrees with it and move on.
I guess it all depends on if the people that would normally have constructive comments would switch to the down vote and the people that want to argue would still post; then it wouldn't be a positive change.
Back when youtube had thumb down as an option, it was helpful because if I was looking for a how-to video I could quickly dismiss the ones that had a lot of downvotes vs upvotes as likely being the wrong advice, without reading all the toxic comments to try to discern the overall take on it.
If I post a thread about how speakers sound better underwater then everyone could see quickly that nobody agrees with it and move on.
I guess it all depends on if the people that would normally have constructive comments would switch to the down vote and the people that want to argue would still post; then it wouldn't be a positive change.
Let's think about this a little more.
Is popularity always an indication that something is good?
Is unpopularity is always an indication that something is bad?
A few examples:
1) Microsoft Windows has been - by far - the least secure commercially available PC operating system. It's held that ignominious position for decades. In spite of this atrocious track record, it is still the world's most popular desktop operating system.
2) Linux is the most secure operating system for PCs ( https://www.computerworld.com/artic...etter-than-windows-or-macos-for-security.html ). It is also free, stable, and unlike MacOS or Windows, not designed to gather as much personal data about the user as possible.
But Linux is also the least popular desktop PC operating system.
3) Eleven million Brazilians now believe the earth is flat. That makes this a very popular belief.
4) Donald Trump has been repeatedly diagnosed as mentally ill, with a personality similar to Hitler, Stalin, and other dangerous past leaders. But he has 80 to a 100 million followers, i.e., he is very popular. ( https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/ )
Should we all quickly decide that Windows is great, because it is very popular, and move on?
Should we all quickly decide that the earth is flat, because that is a popular belief, and move on?
Should we all quickly decide that Linux is bad, because it is less popular, and move on?
Should we all quickly decide that Trump is a good choice for a political leader, because he is popular, and move on?
You see my point. The world would be a better place if people made their decisions by actually carefully and critically evaluating things, rather than just blindly believing whatever is popular.
I do not think this forum should encourage people to become "sheeple", who instantly judge posts or threads based on their popularity. In fact, I think that is a terrible idea.
And I agree with David Morison (post #4 of this thread): if someone dislikes a post, I'd like to know why, and not just that they dislike it. There are many times when a good post is also an unpopular one. This is true on diyAudio too.
I also give a big thumbs down to the idea of a dislike button.
You dislike a post or a thread? Please use your words to tell us why, so we can make our own judgements, using our own rational minds, and not just have a blind emotional response based on someone else's opinion.-Gnobuddy
The stars on the old orum wer efor members that donated to the forum.
There was considerable discussion about the like button. It is currently under trial.
A dislike button or rating system can be to easit weaponized, i strongly suspect it will never make the cut.
dave
There was considerable discussion about the like button. It is currently under trial.
A dislike button or rating system can be to easit weaponized, i strongly suspect it will never make the cut.
dave
If you like something, its not realy nessesary to explain why as it is accepted as so, but if you dont like something then realy people would more likely to understand why?
EG you go out and someone says 'hey man i love your new shirt' , and the response is likely to be 'oh thanks' but if you go out and say 'hey man that new shirt of yours is awful' he is more likey to ask 'whys that' so a simple 'dont like' realy doesnt work.
just my thoughts
EG you go out and someone says 'hey man i love your new shirt' , and the response is likely to be 'oh thanks' but if you go out and say 'hey man that new shirt of yours is awful' he is more likey to ask 'whys that' so a simple 'dont like' realy doesnt work.
just my thoughts
I hardly ever tag things as 'liked' anymore. Receiving* likes is nice, and dislikes a bit less nice, but for me DIY is an artistic exploration. It's like who cares man?
It's such a vague concept anyway. Commenting implies a degree of passion. E.g. I'm typing with my thumbs on my phone right now, which is a PITA. If people can't do that, then... maybe there should an optional dislike setting just for them, so they can let off steam without needing any literacy?
*Edit: of course it's also about giving likes... but the same applies, when giving a comment.
It's such a vague concept anyway. Commenting implies a degree of passion. E.g. I'm typing with my thumbs on my phone right now, which is a PITA. If people can't do that, then... maybe there should an optional dislike setting just for them, so they can let off steam without needing any literacy?
*Edit: of course it's also about giving likes... but the same applies, when giving a comment.
Wasn't that for a thread, not a post? No one paid much attention to it anyway.
Let's think about this a little more.
Is popularity always an indication that something is good?
Is unpopularity is always an indication that something is bad?
A few examples:
1) Microsoft Windows has been - by far - the least secure commercially available PC operating system. It's held that ignominious position for decades. In spite of this atrocious track record, it is still the world's most popular desktop operating system.
2) Linux is the most secure operating system for PCs ( https://www.computerworld.com/artic...etter-than-windows-or-macos-for-security.html ). It is also free, stable, and unlike MacOS or Windows, not designed to gather as much personal data about the user as possible.
But Linux is also the least popular desktop PC operating system.
3) Eleven million Brazilians now believe the earth is flat. That makes this a very popular belief.
4) Donald Trump has been repeatedly diagnosed as mentally ill, with a personality similar to Hitler, Stalin, and other dangerous past leaders. But he has 80 to a 100 million followers, i.e., he is very popular. ( https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-shared-psychosis-of-donald-trump-and-his-loyalists/ )
Should we all quickly decide that Windows is great, because it is very popular, and move on?
Should we all quickly decide that the earth is flat, because that is a popular belief, and move on?
Should we all quickly decide that Linux is bad, because it is less popular, and move on?
Should we all quickly decide that Trump is a good choice for a political leader, because he is popular, and move on?
You see my point. The world would be a better place if people made their decisions by actually carefully and critically evaluating things, rather than just blindly believing whatever is popular.
I do not think this forum should encourage people to become "sheeple", who instantly judge posts or threads based on their popularity. In fact, I think that is a terrible idea.
And I agree with David Morison (post #4 of this thread): if someone dislikes a post, I'd like to know why, and not just that they dislike it. There are many times when a good post is also an unpopular one. This is true on diyAudio too.
I also give a big thumbs down to the idea of a dislike button.
-Gnobuddy
Popularity isn't everything but it is another data point. People can do what they want with that data. No one is requiring you to put all your faith in the number of votes something gets. If someone says they like to power up their amps in a full bathtub do I need to read 20 replies to know it is a bad idea or can 500 downvotes and no upvotes tell me the same thing?
It is the same all or nothing mentality that makes discussing things difficult; at no point did I indicate that everyone should follow what is popular with everything and move on. But knowing that X number of people agree and X number of people disagree without having to have dozens or hundreds of "that's great!" or "only an idiot" posts in the thread could be beneficial.
I get that sometimes it might seem mysterious as to why when someone says something and people down vote it. But, unfortunately, for a lot of posts when people use their words to say why they disagree, the threads go down hill fast and get locked. I'm picturing this for the more controversial, subjective 'improvements'. If someone clearly doesn't agree with it they can quietly voice that without seeming to crap on the person's enthusiastic thread. It may or may not work out that they'd use it though.
And I've seen plenty of threads where the only thing posted in reply are things like "that's dumb" or "won't work" or some other variant of no use. For example someone requests a tube amp design and a reply posts a schematic and then someone else replies to it with "I wouldn't build that one" and nothing else. That isn't any more useful than a thumbs down. Maybe those people would switch to the down vote and maybe not.
How about a “put a plug in it” option. When a discussion gets out of hand, and no one is benefiting except for 2 or 3 arguing in a non-constructive manor. Score a few of these and the thread gets terminated. Members would be limited to how many of these could be used over a given time to avoid abuse.
At diyFESTs we had a STFU notes to hand to people who were talking over the music.
dave
dave
I'm all FOR Freedom Of Speech, despite the current social climate and their idiotic pansey-faced "upsetting" over things.
The global "control" over people with the "politically correctness" shoved up their hides doesn't let people be themselves and breathe.
Who wants to walk on eggshells?
Or Tiptoe through life worrying what they can or cannot say?
The global "control" over people with the "politically correctness" shoved up their hides doesn't let people be themselves and breathe.
Who wants to walk on eggshells?
Or Tiptoe through life worrying what they can or cannot say?