Where does the name "Gainclone" come from?

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peranders said:
OK, this to maximize your income. I really understand Rod now.
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Undoubtfully he'll make good money with his products. But I think it is really deserved. He did quite some research for his products and has much passion for his work. His work is appreciated by many music lovers all over the world.

There are many people that make much money by doing nothing, with stocks, patents, evil marketing tricks...
(BTW: I think that Windows is grossly overpriced since you only get a CD worth $0.10 !)

Fedde
 
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fedde said:


Undoubtfully he'll make good money with his products. But I think it is really deserved. He did quite some research for his products and has much passion for his work. His work is appreciated by many music lovers all over the world.
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I think a handmade product should look like a manufactured or better, not the other way around. He could at least have a descent pcb and descent cables
 
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Re: Inside Shot

This is suppose to be inside the Gaincard
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Is this post totally forgotten?

“As the US distributor of 47 Lab, I'm very familiar with the inside of Gaincard. Let me say this clearly. This picture is not the inside of Gaincard. I wouldn't say Junji Kimura is a great solder guy, but he's not this bad! The parts and their layout is also very different.
Yoshi/SAKURA SYSTEMS”

Pedja
 
#26
fedde said:
Well, I don't 😉
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The Gaincard is audio jewellery for those who can't make their own.

Regarding the cost: I think that you pay for the result, not the components. And it will cost a lot to get a product in the market place. Besides, the amps are handmade (in Japan, expensive country) and in low quantities.
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I understand the economics of manufacturing, and the effects of marketing. Still as this is a DIY forum, it IS too expensive for what it is, especially compared to what it can be made for.

Also with the technical comments I mostly do not agree. I believe vibration has an influence on the sound of audio component (and I did some experiments to check this). In my opinion, it's important that the correlation between impulses in the music at different times is as low as possible. If resonances can be released quickly, this will lower the correlation.
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I'm pretty good at isolating devices that are actually really sensitive to vibration, like TT's and tubes. I think the whole emphasis on vibration control as one of the selling points (ie hype) of the gaincard, is, well, marketing hype.

And yes, single drivers sound better 🙂
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You might like them but that does not make them a universal solution. Especially if you want dynamic range, bandwidth, low distortion.......
 
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PeteM said:
I wasn't sure how authentic these pictures were hence my wording of ""Suppose""
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Hi Peter,

I noticed your were careful with wording… 😉

What I am trying to tell is in all discussions about the interior of the real GainCard we saw during last year it was unquestionably assumed this is the inside of the GainCard. I just wanted to remind the people of the “official statement”.

Pedja
 
#29
The AA thread is rather interesting to read. It seems that the Sakura guys have problems to defend what they are doing. Most high-end manufactures open the case the first thing they do. It also very common in reviews so I don't understand the fear of showing? Maybe there is something to hide?
 
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I think the whole emphasis on vibration control as one of the selling points (ie hype) of the gaincard, is, well, marketing hype.
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And here Brett we have to disagree. My GC is tremendously sensitive to vibrations - to this day i listen to it without the top cover as otherwise the sound is terrible.


cheers
peter
 
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analog_sa said:
And here Brett we have to disagree. My GC is tremendously sensitive to vibrations - to this day i listen to it without the top cover as otherwise the sound is terrible.
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Is yours an original or a clone? And if it's a clone, would you pay another $US1200+ for the componentry involved to put it in a jewellery box case? Buy an old Thorens and mount it to the platter.

My point was that vibration control is not all that hard, especially considering the layout or what's in it, and what's in the 47 Labs over and above the electrical componentry, doesn't at all justify the cost and / or hype IMO.
 
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Buy an old Thorens and mount it to the platte
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It will certainly squash the daylights out of the Thorens. Of course it's not original but the case likely cost me more than $1200 anyway (made it myself :dead: )

what's in the 47 Labs over and above the electrical componentry, doesn't at all justify the cost and / or hype IMO
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Very possibly. Then again my transformers are not within a spitting range of what 47 Labs use, not to mention i never paid for ads in the glossy magazines 🙂
 
#34
IMHO.

#1. Once something is modified or changed from the original design its no longer a clone.
#2.I can see the price of the gaincard as it is.Its made by hand in limited numbers in an expensive to live location and lets face it the ppl who buy it have no interest in soldering anything. If they can pay the price and enjoy the performance then all is accepable.Would you complain about the price of a porshe?The old statement about " if you have to ask the price then you cant afford it"
#3. Its unfair to judge a product by its design (based on DIY).I have been designing and building speakers for over 30 years and found out that only mega buck speakers can approach or exceed the performance of a well designed and built speaker(DIY).
ron
Quote by one of my old ME profs "the hardest thing you can do is to make something simple"
 
#38
Yep budsmoker!

I put a multi turn pot on the non inverting(500k) and warm it up for a few hrs then dial in 0 offset.Also i leave it on 24/7 using battery power with the chargers hooked up with 1000uf caps going from the power (+/-) to ground at the batteries/charger post. No ripple at all on the scope.Fanstastic bass. very good mids and high end, sounds very fast and accurate with the fostex horns. Dynamics that are almost scary too.
ron
 
#39
Re: Clones they are not-quite

Ricren said:
It surprises me that many people that built a 3875 inverted configuration chip amp calls it a "Gainclone", when the original is non-inverting.
So "clones", they are not. IMHO.

cheers

Ric
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I agree with you, but...

It overlooks how language develops, the commonly accepted becomes part of the vocabulary. So while strictly speaking, the inverted versions are not "Gainclones" - it seems to have caught on. Try as you may to stop it, you're unlikely to succeed. Hence a new word has arrived in the land of Audiophilia.


Joe R.
 
#40
There was actually another thread in which some of us tried to come up with alternative names for chip amps but none seemed to catch on.

So I carried on using the term 'Gainclone' and did so on my web site. Once you do that, it then becomes a lot of work to change to something else, and if you do, you get a load of mail asking you why you call chip amps something else.

Anyway, most of us refer to vacuum cleaners as hoovers even if they not built buy Hoover! Like Joe says, it's just the way language develops.
 
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