Hello,
I have been using the PreSonus audiobox recording interface with studio one recording software, and the clipping and distortion is bad with even a bit of vomume. I have tried 3 different amps, all the same. I dont want to use amp modeling, want to use my gear, and was curious if anyone here has any suggestions on a good recording interface that doesnt have the clipping issues and built in preamp problems when using with an amplifier. Something that doesnt require haveing to adjust the recording software to compensate, just plug my amp into it and get similar sounds as to playing my amp live. I also have to keep the volume down where i live, so micing the amp is not an option.
Thanks
I have been using the PreSonus audiobox recording interface with studio one recording software, and the clipping and distortion is bad with even a bit of vomume. I have tried 3 different amps, all the same. I dont want to use amp modeling, want to use my gear, and was curious if anyone here has any suggestions on a good recording interface that doesnt have the clipping issues and built in preamp problems when using with an amplifier. Something that doesnt require haveing to adjust the recording software to compensate, just plug my amp into it and get similar sounds as to playing my amp live. I also have to keep the volume down where i live, so micing the amp is not an option.
Thanks
how are you plugging your amp into it? a line out? a speaker output? using a speaker output will surely overdrive your interface and could be damaging to your amp. more details please!
are you going to use speaker+cab+mic+room simulation in software?
amp going directly in line level recording inputs is something i wouldn't expect. you need a DI box. i call them 'DI boxes' they might be called other name officially. preamp going directly into line level, is ok.
consider using your guitar (or other) amplifier's fx loop as a way to get the preamp (with the tasty tube gain... mmm...) signal to your computer.
there are a million ways to record electric guitar. no one is correct, no one is wrong. Try some, and decide which one sounds good to you
I have tried several combonations . I have a gIbsonG50 solid stae amp, running out of line out to interface, tried running from preamp out of my peavy pa head, and the one I want to use is my fender supersonic tube amp, which I tried running through preamp out with a dummy oad to speaker, and also disonnected the power amp via the power amp in connected to nothing and running preamp out to interface. None of the above amps sound good, and clip even with the slightest volume. Have. Read that other people have experienced this with this interface. Again, don't want to mic the amp, and don't want to use modeling amps, so looking for possible better recording interface, to keep the sound with what I got.
are you going to use speaker+cab+mic+room simulation in software?
you'd be surprised how horrible the guitar sounds dry from the preamp
you'd be surprised how horrible the guitar sounds dry from the preamp
I have never got a good sound running straight in to the recording system from the amps pre-out.
What did work for me is to run through a amp-cabinet-microphone simulator type of filter either it be a hardware filter or VST software.
In the past I used to run my Marshall 8100 Valvestate into an ART Powerplant rack mount preamp device and the sound was incredible, and then straight into the recording system.
Sadly, I have neither of these units anymore and I cannot seem to find theART Powerplant anywhere, even used.
I had the manual and it had the schematic in it,But I lost that too.
It was quite a device and was a collaboration of some well known designer and was not out for very long and now all of the info that I could find is now gone.
As there was some kind of dispute over a patent or something.
It is sad that such disputes get in the way of what was such a great product.
However it was just a set of filters and there are many good schematics out there of such devices that seem to sound very good by the samples that I have listened to.
Lately I have been using some VST Types that sound great and one in particular that is awesome and uses Impulse Response samples, all for free!
I love the JCM900 VST and the Voxengo cabinet simulator my most favorite setup right now uses the AMP212 VST and/or California Sun Amp VST and a FIR Filter that I can't remember the name right now, as I have all of those files on another drive and it is not hooked up at the moment.
This same filter is just Killer with the JCM900 VST.
As this particular filter is the key to some super sounding setups and I will try to get the name for you later.
Some of these do require some horsepower so I understand not wanting to use a software type because of this.
But there are many that are very hard to beat.
Two more that I would like to mention as well are Amplitube's Fender is hard to beat for clean and blues sounds and the Vibrato is dead on.
Peavy's Revalaver is an incrediable piece of software as it seemed to give me the best feel as well as actually being able to modify the amp internal circuitery on the fly.
Although, These are not freeware.
There are Many many Free great sounding amp sims out there and many that aren't so great.
Out of the 1600 or so free Vst files I have,I have only gone through about 260 just for my guitar setup and there are only a few of those worth keeping.
It is a very long process to sort out that much stuff.
One thing I might add is that many sound even better if you use a 24bit interface as opposed to 16 bit as this is a given of course.
I see that your interface is 24 bit but IMHO 48khz sample rate is a bit marginal but does work okay.
I do have the PreSonus software as well and it seems to work pretty good and I like it a lot but I am not very proficient with it yet.
Cheers !!
jer 🙂
What did work for me is to run through a amp-cabinet-microphone simulator type of filter either it be a hardware filter or VST software.
In the past I used to run my Marshall 8100 Valvestate into an ART Powerplant rack mount preamp device and the sound was incredible, and then straight into the recording system.
Sadly, I have neither of these units anymore and I cannot seem to find theART Powerplant anywhere, even used.
I had the manual and it had the schematic in it,But I lost that too.
It was quite a device and was a collaboration of some well known designer and was not out for very long and now all of the info that I could find is now gone.
As there was some kind of dispute over a patent or something.
It is sad that such disputes get in the way of what was such a great product.
However it was just a set of filters and there are many good schematics out there of such devices that seem to sound very good by the samples that I have listened to.
Lately I have been using some VST Types that sound great and one in particular that is awesome and uses Impulse Response samples, all for free!
I love the JCM900 VST and the Voxengo cabinet simulator my most favorite setup right now uses the AMP212 VST and/or California Sun Amp VST and a FIR Filter that I can't remember the name right now, as I have all of those files on another drive and it is not hooked up at the moment.
This same filter is just Killer with the JCM900 VST.
As this particular filter is the key to some super sounding setups and I will try to get the name for you later.
Some of these do require some horsepower so I understand not wanting to use a software type because of this.
But there are many that are very hard to beat.
Two more that I would like to mention as well are Amplitube's Fender is hard to beat for clean and blues sounds and the Vibrato is dead on.
Peavy's Revalaver is an incrediable piece of software as it seemed to give me the best feel as well as actually being able to modify the amp internal circuitery on the fly.
Although, These are not freeware.
There are Many many Free great sounding amp sims out there and many that aren't so great.
Out of the 1600 or so free Vst files I have,I have only gone through about 260 just for my guitar setup and there are only a few of those worth keeping.
It is a very long process to sort out that much stuff.
One thing I might add is that many sound even better if you use a 24bit interface as opposed to 16 bit as this is a given of course.
I see that your interface is 24 bit but IMHO 48khz sample rate is a bit marginal but does work okay.
I do have the PreSonus software as well and it seems to work pretty good and I like it a lot but I am not very proficient with it yet.
Cheers !!
jer 🙂
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"are you going to use speaker+cab+mic+room simulation in software?"
What is this exactly, is it available in studio one artist recording software, or something in general in most softwares, or? I am not seeing it?
What is this exactly, is it available in studio one artist recording software, or something in general in most softwares, or? I am not seeing it?
The name of the filter that I like is called the Plektron IRCab and can be found here,
:: Plektron :: VST plugin :: DOWNLOADS
There many other VST's that are freeware that have a great sound as well Poulin is one of my favorites and StudioDevil is another as well as several others such as FreeAmp is well rated.
I have at least 20 or more of them that I have tried so far.
Good Luck !!
Jer 🙂
:: Plektron :: VST plugin :: DOWNLOADS
There many other VST's that are freeware that have a great sound as well Poulin is one of my favorites and StudioDevil is another as well as several others such as FreeAmp is well rated.
I have at least 20 or more of them that I have tried so far.
Good Luck !!
Jer 🙂
don't see it in the featurelist of that software, so i doubt it.
what it is *exactly*, well, pretty much what it says on the label: it is software that simulates the effect that a speaker, cab, mic and/or room, have on the guitar signal.
they are not effects. They are an integral part of the guitar sound. The first two are parts of the musical instrument that is called electric guitar. The third is up for debate, but you can't deny that it colors the sound. The fourth needs no explanation.
You can't have a pleasant, full, sweet electric guitar sound without all four.
speaker/cab/mic sims are generally guitar-specific softwares
Peavey's revalver does all that, and quite convincingly, but if you're playing with mountains of gain, you will end up in aliasing territory sooner or later. 48KHz won't cut it. You need 96KHz and i am not sure even that is enough.
What i suggest to you: record the preamp output with a line level sound interface (not instrument level) and use revalver (if you can afford it) as a vst instrument for its speaker/cab/mic sim. Room ambience can be added either from revalver (IR filters) or with another effect if you prefer. if you have a good measuring microphone you can even record your room's impulse response for use in the simulator. in stereo.
what it is *exactly*, well, pretty much what it says on the label: it is software that simulates the effect that a speaker, cab, mic and/or room, have on the guitar signal.
they are not effects. They are an integral part of the guitar sound. The first two are parts of the musical instrument that is called electric guitar. The third is up for debate, but you can't deny that it colors the sound. The fourth needs no explanation.
You can't have a pleasant, full, sweet electric guitar sound without all four.
speaker/cab/mic sims are generally guitar-specific softwares
Peavey's revalver does all that, and quite convincingly, but if you're playing with mountains of gain, you will end up in aliasing territory sooner or later. 48KHz won't cut it. You need 96KHz and i am not sure even that is enough.
What i suggest to you: record the preamp output with a line level sound interface (not instrument level) and use revalver (if you can afford it) as a vst instrument for its speaker/cab/mic sim. Room ambience can be added either from revalver (IR filters) or with another effect if you prefer. if you have a good measuring microphone you can even record your room's impulse response for use in the simulator. in stereo.
The Voxengo system lets you do exactly that!!
Make samples of rooms and amps and stuff and then use them in their filter interface.
I have not tried this yet though.
The Plektron allows you to use different samples as well as they are .wav files.
I got some pretty cool and interesting effects using some random samples I had from somewhere that were in a directory that was not part of the original files.
I was getting controlled feedback sounds from some of them in my headphones !!
Very cool stuff indeeded !!!
I have to agree the 48khz just doesn't cut it though.
jer 🙂
Make samples of rooms and amps and stuff and then use them in their filter interface.
I have not tried this yet though.
The Plektron allows you to use different samples as well as they are .wav files.
I got some pretty cool and interesting effects using some random samples I had from somewhere that were in a directory that was not part of the original files.
I was getting controlled feedback sounds from some of them in my headphones !!
Very cool stuff indeeded !!!
I have to agree the 48khz just doesn't cut it though.
jer 🙂
Wow, alot to think over here. I am gonna look into these filters, however I think in the end If I wanna get the sweet sound from my tube amp, im gonna end up mic'ing the amp at the lowest volume amp can go and still hear it to mic. "should keep the police away" I am doin it now, and running the mic through my pa and then into the interface, boosting the volume in the headphones from interface, and sounds pretty good. This helped control the clipping and redlining. Gonna see about the 96hz interface. All this info has been very helpful, thank u!!
Very good !!!
Yes, I am impartial to using the real thing myself.
But, after rediscovering the world of VST's using a live host and/or DAW's that allow you to use them as live while recording too, I am just blown away at some of the great sounds that can be had with them.
I now use a combination of both worlds sometimes.
I don't have my Marshall anymore and I love my Peavy Renown 400.
But sometimes it kinda gets a bit dry as I like it the way it is set and rarely change it.
Now I have the option of using either or Both.
I use two machines one as a DAW and one using Live Professor as my Amp setup all routed through my mixer and my options are unlimited now.
It is just awesome!!
I am very glad to have helped !!
Enjoy !!
jer 🙂
Yes, I am impartial to using the real thing myself.
But, after rediscovering the world of VST's using a live host and/or DAW's that allow you to use them as live while recording too, I am just blown away at some of the great sounds that can be had with them.
I now use a combination of both worlds sometimes.
I don't have my Marshall anymore and I love my Peavy Renown 400.
But sometimes it kinda gets a bit dry as I like it the way it is set and rarely change it.
Now I have the option of using either or Both.
I use two machines one as a DAW and one using Live Professor as my Amp setup all routed through my mixer and my options are unlimited now.
It is just awesome!!
I am very glad to have helped !!
Enjoy !!
jer 🙂
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