Not after voight kampff test becomes available for use by the law enforcement. But that's not till 2019 in Los Angeles when the Blade Runner squad is formed.
Those terms are what music writers and performers would use. Then as usual, the boutique audio electronics sellers try to exploit them for marketing purpose.
We've tried to set that up several times in the past (with other players) and got nowhere.
They are effectively meaningless. They are not words I'd use. I asked a couple of musos and got replies that were not of any help - as in, not consistent. Having read his posts I'd have a stab at what Max H means, but probably would be wrong.
But the real thing is, in the context of the original question, you need to use an agreed set of words with meanings as agreed as possible. A lot of words are used here to describe sounds, and emotional responses to same, that don't really mean a lot to me. When I worked in pro audio at least the acoustic consultants had an agreed dictionary of terms, even if the old joke applies: in a room of 10 acoustic consultants, you will get 20 different opinions... (replace with export of your choice! usually it's economists...) 😀
GPauk (Graham if I remember correctly?), thank you for expounding what I was trying to convey.
And, yes, I'm pretty sure the adage of, "ask 10 experts and get 20 opinions," is nearly-universal. It might be closer to 30 in my experience, though. 😀
And, yes, I'm pretty sure the adage of, "ask 10 experts and get 20 opinions," is nearly-universal. It might be closer to 30 in my experience, though. 😀
Like "toe tapping", I keep hoping an actual physical DBT will come out of one of these threads.
Toe tapping, groove and vibe. YouTube
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Some possible readings
"The relationship between basic audio quality and overall listening experience"
"About the Impact of Audio Quality on Overall Listening Experience"
My interpretation of "groove & vibe" as Max used it was that some playback has all the notes in the right place but are essentially uninteresting whereas other playback of the same material captures one's interest because it is presenting aspects of the performance which auditory perception appreciates more - it is perceived as more realistic. I surmise that this is due to the every subtle auditory cues being reproduced correctly, not curtailed or masked. These subtle cues are the aspects that we hear in live events. These subtle cues are what give us a better read into the interplay between the musicians (groove & vibe), the subtle emotion in the voice of the singer, the acoustic space in which the recording was made, etc.
I used the word Gestalt to describe this as even though the individual aspects when isolated might be considered unimportant, their occurrence through the recording is greater than the sum of the parts.
It seemed that a number of people on the thread had this same understanding?
When FMRI (& other neurophysical techniques) becomes more widely used as a means of assessing what effect different playback systems have on us we may come to a better realization of this phrase? At the moment we are using awkward terminology to try to describe internally sensed effects
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I presume everyone here knows that thoughts cause vibrations, they can't be measured even by science but it's a fact
^ Not true. 😀
Thoughts require transfer of ions and neurotransmitters across membranes and gaps, with their attendant work (and heat losses), so phonons (vibrations) from a that are a real thing. 😉
Good luck much measuring them under the best of circumstances, much less far field. "Phonon neuron" in Google Scholar has brought up a few amusing references. 😀
Thoughts require transfer of ions and neurotransmitters across membranes and gaps, with their attendant work (and heat losses), so phonons (vibrations) from a that are a real thing. 😉
Good luck much measuring them under the best of circumstances, much less far field. "Phonon neuron" in Google Scholar has brought up a few amusing references. 😀
So, when you walk into a room (or visit a thread) and there's a particular vibe.....what's that all about?
Language usually has more than one meaning for a word - what's the point in trying to use these other meanings for the word/phrase Max used? - they only help to confuse!
Here's a video of the vibrations (don't mix it up with vibe 😀) that music causes at a certain microscopic level.
Who said this thread isn't entertaining ? 🙄
Dancing Outer Hair Cell - Video | Auditory Neuroscience
But out of the confusion a great truth may emerge......probably won't, but, all else has failed
You really believe this or just trying to avoid any relevant discussion & introduce off-topic confusion instead?
They have meaning to people who seriously study such things (mostly cognitive musicologists, perhaps to coin a term), and to some musicians who recognize them by ear. What Dan (Max) means by them and what makes them happen in a musical composition are two different things, IMHO.
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Thanks, Mark. Do you perchance have any links which explore it more? (seriously no worries if not) I can see it having some meaning (and perhaps even some form of convention!) within composition/musicology, but agree on the latter point as well. I don't know how that would translate to study protocols on playback, though versus the music selection itself.
Well, it's a business term, so I'd have to agree with you there, I'm sure Dave would agree too
Although you do not violate our rules in a literal sense, you do violate the spirit of those rules. Go, read it. NOW!
LMAO@ violating the spirit.....It seems to have a "BAD VIBE", to it a sort of "GUT FEELING".....or it could be that I am just not "IN TUNE", to yawls frequency. LMAO...but don't worry after all its just my opinion.
What constitutes "opinions" and "facts" is already at the meta-debate level and is not something that could be addressed here. Descartes and Locke already debated this centuries ago.
Everything is fine, as long as Locke fans don't attempt to stuff "all ideas come from sensation and reflection and that all knowledge is founded on experience" down my throat.
LMAO yourself, BTW.
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