Very predictable. It's just a story, they can't possibly hear that, he has tinnitus, it was a marketing ploy for Asian companies etc.
My question still stands: are there any examples of the opamp folks similarly engaging with the audiophile public?
If not, maybe that's one of the answers to the question in this thread's title?
My question still stands: are there any examples of the opamp folks similarly engaging with the audiophile public?
If not, maybe that's one of the answers to the question in this thread's title?
What audiophile public, what engagement, are you serious? I've been doing this for 42 years the people involved are old friends or have passed away you look more like a troll every day.
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I would have to agree based on measurements and theory, except for one confounder. I have gone through various A/D and D/A that were supposed to sound great based on specs until I settled on the ones I use now. Several years ago, Lynn Fuston produced an audio CD of A/D converters each one used to convert a magnetic tape of a single musical performance. The CD cost me something like $45 and is now out of print, but I still have mine. The Lynx2 card that I had at the time and still have sounded inferior to a number of other A/D, discernible even at CD quality. Here are the specs for it: http://www.lynxstudio.com/pop/product_file.asp?i=22 Based on the CD, I purchased my 2nd best choice (the 1st choice was too expensive to justify), a Crane Song HEDD 192. Sure enough, it sounds better in real life than the Lynx just as on the CD. After that I bought a Benchmark DAC-1 to replace the Lynx as my primary D/A, and sure enough, it sounds better than the Lynx. Very similar to the improvement with the HEDD. I don't know why. Unfortunately, I don't have the test equipment to see what distortion figures are actually being produced. Whatever is going on, it's not hard to hear for me. I recently explained in another post about ear training with cymbals. Maybe the ear training helped be develop a more sensitive ear. Maybe some unknown problems in my other components are raising distortion to levels everyone agrees should be audible. Maybe there is some other explanation that would make perfect physical sense that I simply haven't thought of. I don't know. But the matter remains unresolved, and so I remain sitting on the fence on these issues, waiting with scientific detachment until such time as I have a satisfactory reckoning to explain things fully.
Mark - we're fortunate that not all of the industry is complacent. I remember a few years ago when nobody suspected that the iPod could be dethroned as the portable music player of choice.
Yes, the key is that tinnitus is constant, and unconsciously disregarded/nulled in a sense.
ESS have nailed it....keep the noise constant (white) and it subjectively disappears.
The kicker is that in physical electronics, there is no such thing as purely white noise.
Chaos is the takeaway from this lesson, thanks for posting.
Dan.
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I don't know about complacent, but large companies do have to struggle against bureaucracy, inertia, and long-established culture that act in a way tending to limit necessary adaptation with changing times. New startups can be very agile, and the future remains very difficult to predict.
While we are talking, I don't know your age and life story, but I can make some rough guess, and I might be quite wrong. Feel free to correct me if you want, but with regard to the back and forth between you and Scott, I am a little concerned you are young and not fully giving him credit for his experience and knowledge in a way that I think you probably will later on in your own life. And maybe he doesn't remember being young, spunky, and challenging of authority all that well either. Or maybe he never was inclined to be that way. Anyway, I hope you guys find a way to get along better, as I think you can, and probably would both like it better if you did.
This line is the closest to Audiophilia for opamps I know of: MUSES Official Website They may actually be good opamps as well. Because NJR is largely unknown in the US and the spec sheets are remarkably bare I have not looked closely until recently when I swapped a premium US opamp for one (NJM2068) and found the performance was no better where on paper it should have been.
However I can't see the pricing for one with a copper leadframe. Its nuts. However some here may find the nonmagnetic aspect to be a good thing and worth the price.
Also AKM has a staff audiophile whose job is to listen and direct decisions about the DAC's ADC's etc. I have met him and he is more down to earth than any reviewer I have met.
Demian,
I think NJR has it right for the market. $47 for a dual opamp seems to be dead on the audiophiles' pulse.
I think NJR has it right for the market. $47 for a dual opamp seems to be dead on the audiophiles' pulse.
Don't tell anyone that its available with a different part number for 75 cents with a normal lead frame.
Your prescription medication may need to be raised, Max.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YubzvkNh77w (1986. 30 years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YubzvkNh77w (1986. 30 years ago)
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This is nothing, don't worry about it. I can't talk about a lot of things I have seen over the years and if someone wants to have a romantic view of people making IC's for audiophile sound that's OK. The truth is the design community is full of audio tinkerers that want to think they have a better answer to whatever they view as the "problem". Just this year and old friend decided he had the answer to why no existing speakers are adequate.
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Back in the Eighties my good system got carted/shared to a million parties, that album on vinyl was one of the favorites, nowadays I have it in digital.....of course lol.
Dan.
Dan.
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That may be true, but it's also true nobody likes being dismissed, or dissed, as merely a tinker. It doesn't necessarily put them in a frame of mind conducive to seeing the situation objectively, that is, if they feel an insult was just thrown at them.
Also, if you take the definition of tinker literally, many of the people I think you may be describing are probably something more than what best fits that moniker. They may be far from expert big league professionals, at one end of the spectrum, but not exactly tinkers at the other end either. Maybe they are experimentalists with some technical chops, that we don't have more neutral word for.
Thank you.
A few more thoughts while we're on the subject:
I would add that sometimes, very rarely, it's people that the experts think are nuts and that are overconfident in their ideas, that go out and form startups, and end up being successful and changing the technology landscape. I have seen it happen, and I and most others thought they were foolish to undertake what they did, and statistically speaking they probably were, yet the unexpected happened. So, I think it turns out you have to have some of those people trying to do things established experts see as foolish, because the occasional successes can eventually turn out to be very important in unpredictable ways.
not that telling a point: there's "foolish" misappreciation of markets, and there's the equivalent of perpetual motion/free energy - and those can be marketed to a fraction of the public for profit too
much of the op amp, electrical signal properties, measurement limitations audiophool blather fail on firmly established by decades of cross industry technical practice grounds
much of the "I hear..." commentary appears to be in either genuine or willful ignorance of perceptual psychology, tested Psychoacoustics
much of the op amp, electrical signal properties, measurement limitations audiophool blather fail on firmly established by decades of cross industry technical practice grounds
much of the "I hear..." commentary appears to be in either genuine or willful ignorance of perceptual psychology, tested Psychoacoustics
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