I'm asking what happens after the event. The past is highly ordered but not the future. So entropy might tend towards a state of disorder, but out knowledge after the event is (in broad terms) very high - ie highly ordered.In Boltzmann's view, a disordered state is one where there are a large number of possible equally probable arrangements.
Entropy doesn't depend on when these arrangements 'happen', but is proportional to the probability of them happening.
The higher the probability, the higher the entropy.
In fact, the W in S= k log W is inspired by the German word for probability, Wahrscheinlichkeit.
So entropy might tend towards a state of disorder, but out knowledge after the event is (in broad terms) very high - ie highly ordered.
You appear to be talking about information entropy i.e. entropy as an “amount of information” .
So, are you saying that information entropy decreases as thermodynamic entropy increases?
How do I understand it better with entropy insight?
Do you mean, "How do I understand the world better with entropy insight?".
I looked for an answer to that question and here's what I found:
"A knowledge of entropy gives us the power to harness energy, improve our technology, build our cities, produce chemical reactions and even improve our food supplies."
That's it! 🤓
I failed my Oxbridge Entrance Exam. Queen's College, Cambridge. With its very own Bridge of Sighs. A bitter moment. I was looking forwards to mixing it with Stephen Hawking and others.
Despite my teacher Albert Rouse refusing me entrance to the Special Paper in Physics, in which I got an A. I had to accept a mere "Merit" in Chemistry, in which I got a lazy B. A subject that bores me.
Thing is, I ran into the question of whether Prof. E. A. Maxwell's book about Vectors and Electromagnetic Theory was a "Good Thing"?
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Maxwell_Edwin/
I stated clearly it was the boringest book I had ever read! I could feel a Chill in the air. What I later realised, was that in taking off my glasses for the interview, I missed the fact that it was Prof. E.A. Maxwell interviewing me.
Ah well. My view is you leave your EGO at the door in Science. The Universe continues to surprise us mere Mortals. And I still think Prof. E.A.Maxwell's book was boring. I still hate Vectors. Far prefer Quaternions.
Happily I went to the second best University. London. TBH, undergrad was a bit rubbish. But did Postgrad at Imperial College in Signal Processing. Where I discovered Claude Shannon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory
The Real Deal. SERENDIPITY. Good Fortune by Chance.
I rarely mention to People that I am a Physics Graduate. It makes them uncomfortable. Especially Opticians. Who are Rubbish, IMO. Now Dentists, I respect.
Despite my teacher Albert Rouse refusing me entrance to the Special Paper in Physics, in which I got an A. I had to accept a mere "Merit" in Chemistry, in which I got a lazy B. A subject that bores me.
Thing is, I ran into the question of whether Prof. E. A. Maxwell's book about Vectors and Electromagnetic Theory was a "Good Thing"?
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Maxwell_Edwin/
I stated clearly it was the boringest book I had ever read! I could feel a Chill in the air. What I later realised, was that in taking off my glasses for the interview, I missed the fact that it was Prof. E.A. Maxwell interviewing me.
Ah well. My view is you leave your EGO at the door in Science. The Universe continues to surprise us mere Mortals. And I still think Prof. E.A.Maxwell's book was boring. I still hate Vectors. Far prefer Quaternions.
Happily I went to the second best University. London. TBH, undergrad was a bit rubbish. But did Postgrad at Imperial College in Signal Processing. Where I discovered Claude Shannon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory
The Real Deal. SERENDIPITY. Good Fortune by Chance.
I rarely mention to People that I am a Physics Graduate. It makes them uncomfortable. Especially Opticians. Who are Rubbish, IMO. Now Dentists, I respect.
Now, all that sounds comfortingly factual!
Steve's qualifications: BSc (London) Physics; MSc Telecommunications Engineering.
There's nowhere to hide on this forum! 😉
Steve's qualifications: BSc (London) Physics; MSc Telecommunications Engineering.
There's nowhere to hide on this forum! 😉
Especially Opticians. Who are Rubbish, IMO
I get your sense of humour, Steve!
It's ophthalmologists I despise. 😒I failed my Oxbridge Entrance Exam. Queen's College, Cambridge. With its very own Bridge of Sighs. A bitter moment. I was looking forwards to mixing it with Stephen Hawking and others.
Despite my teacher Albert Rouse refusing me entrance to the Special Paper in Physics, in which I got an A. I had to accept a mere "Merit" in Chemistry, in which I got a lazy B. A subject that bores me.
Thing is, I ran into the question of whether Prof. E. A. Maxwell's book about Vectors and Electromagnetic Theory was a "Good Thing"?
https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Maxwell_Edwin/
I stated clearly it was the boringest book I had ever read! I could feel a Chill in the air. What I later realised, was that in taking off my glasses for the interview, I missed the fact that it was Prof. E.A. Maxwell interviewing me.
Ah well. My view is you leave your EGO at the door in Science. The Universe continues to surprise us mere Mortals. And I still think Prof. E.A.Maxwell's book was boring. I still hate Vectors. Far prefer Quaternions.
Happily I went to the second best University. London. TBH, undergrad was a bit rubbish. But did Postgrad at Imperial College in Signal Processing. Where I discovered Claude Shannon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory
The Real Deal. SERENDIPITY. Good Fortune by Chance.
I rarely mention to People that I am a Physics Graduate. It makes them uncomfortable. Especially Opticians. Who are Rubbish, IMO. Now Dentists, I respect.
My Primary Physics Hero was Dick Feynman:
I bought his 3 books on Physics! TBH, I got a bit lost on Quantum Mechanics. 😳
I can only present my current opthalmic results:
R: SPH -1.75 CYL: -1.00 AXIS: 15 Degrees
L: SPH -1.50 CYL - 1,25 AXIS: 170 Degrees
I think that is RUBBISH! I see no sign of astigmatism in my left eye. I wish I could get these people to see it.
Consider these Dancers:
This is real Physics!
I bought his 3 books on Physics! TBH, I got a bit lost on Quantum Mechanics. 😳
I can only present my current opthalmic results:
R: SPH -1.75 CYL: -1.00 AXIS: 15 Degrees
L: SPH -1.50 CYL - 1,25 AXIS: 170 Degrees
I think that is RUBBISH! I see no sign of astigmatism in my left eye. I wish I could get these people to see it.
Consider these Dancers:
This is real Physics!
I have never regretted my assocation with an evidentially sick Dick Feynman:
Excellent Physicist. Now you get my association with Ice Dancing.
Excellent Physicist. Now you get my association with Ice Dancing.
Seems like it to me. Quite paradoxical 🙂You appear to be talking about information entropy i.e. entropy as an “amount of information” .
So, are you saying that information entropy decreases as thermodynamic entropy increases?
Oh I see it alright..in my right eye. It's the wrong one that doesn't see it.My Primary Physics Hero was Dick Feynman:
I bought his 3 books on Physics! TBH, I got a bit lost on Quantum Mechanics. 😳
I can only present my current opthalmic results:
R: SPH -1.75 CYL: -1.00 AXIS: 15 Degrees
L: SPH -1.50 CYL - 1,25 AXIS: 170 Degrees
I think that is RUBBISH! I see no sign of astigmatism in my left eye. I wish I could get these people to see it.
Consider these Dancers:
This is real Physics!
Who do you think you're fooling?I have never regretted my assocation with an evidentially sick Dick Feynman:
Excellent Physicist. Now you get my association with Ice Dancing.
That's Rodney Dangerfield!
Sheesh. 🙄
Have I posted this before ...Happily I went to the second best University. London. TBH, undergrad was a bit rubbish. But did Postgrad at Imperial College in Signal Processing. Where I discovered Claude Shannon.
Thermodynamics is well tied in with entropy. Thermodynamics is certainly a practical subset of science, especially as it was initially developed to improve the efficiency of steam engines.You appear to be talking about information entropy i.e. entropy as an “amount of information” .
So, are you saying that information entropy decreases as thermodynamic entropy increases?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamics
Also, learning the laws of thermodynamics helps a LOT to inoculate one from the false seductiveness of things along the lines of perpetual motion and "over unity" motors, that a friend was showing me a video of a few years ago. He was self-trained in electronics, and so didn't have enough physics background to KNOW when something was BS.
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