The speed of light is always relative to the observer.
Are you sure there's no elves or spirits involved? As long as we're saying wildly wrong things, may as well say wildly wrong things that are more interesting.
Well, the Dutch scientific world was rocked over the last couple of years by scandals of several "reputable" scientists committing fraud in their research and subsequent publications... So, to some degree Fraud is being funded...Science in Turmoil - Are we Funding Fraud?
by Dr. Jeremy Dunning-Davies
Do you have prove for the opposite? For as I already wrote, measurements indicated that for the distant observer lightspeed appears to be influenced by gravitational density, while for the observer under the same conditions as the light passed through, that light passes at lightspeed.Are you sure there's no elves or spirits involved? As long as we're saying wildly wrong things, may as well say wildly wrong things that are more interesting.
Do you have prove for the opposite?
A few thousand publications and a few hundred texts over a century?
Do you have prove for the opposite? For as I already wrote, measurements indicated that for the distant observer lightspeed appears to be influenced by gravitational density, while for the observer under the same conditions as the light passed through, that light passes at lightspeed.
This is not correct.
That's one of the paradoxes of relativity. Time and mass change as a body's velocity increase, but c is absolutely constant.
In a black hole, light cannot escape, but that's not because it's slowed down, but because space time is so warped, it cannot get out.
And what did they measure and to what accuracy? Exactly... we are talking about different measurements and texts.. 😀A few thousand publications and a few hundred texts over a century?
Bonsai said:That's one of the paradoxes of relativity. Time and mass change as a body's velocity increase, but c is absolutely constant.
The speed of light is always relative to the observer. Measurements indicate that the speed of light is definitely influenced by the density of gravity (distant observer). It is slowed down... But for an observer within that dense gravity field, light passes at lightspeed.
This is one of the problems with Einstein... he never took the effort of properly defining were the "observer" was. That lack of accuracy is confusing.
Tip: read Rob Roodenburg's Repairing Relativity... You don't have to agree to his theory, but at least he took the effort of properly defining his "observers".
How is the red shift of light passing heavy objects else to be explained, than by the influence of the gravitational field? If C was to be absolutely constant, there would be no red shift. And why should light (EM radiation of a certain wavelength) answer to different rules than other forms of energy?
As I stated before, Einstein messed up with the location of his observatory. That mistake caused a lot of confusion ....
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c is absolutely constant.
Exactly. The concept of geodesics in GR confuses many. Certainly Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler's gravitation "phonebook" was some tough work for me as an undergrad.
A "black hole" is not actually a hole.But does the universe also include impenetrable dark dimensions where light is not allowed to penetrate?
What is a black hole? Does it have an entrance and an exit? ...And when inside is there another universe within?
Anyone here who has ever been in one and back? 😉
...All very very fascinating, including your link.
It's just a mass so concentrated that not even light of energy can escape it..
It has ofter been said that mass as we know it on eath is manly an illusion and consists of mostly empty space between the atoms..
Precisely. It confuses some people so profoundly that they sincerely believe everyone else is confused!SY said:The concept of geodesics in GR confuses many.
Light always travels in a straight line. There: I have just confused many of the readers of this thread by making a true statement which is seriously misleading to those confused by GR.
I believe Darwin found what Einstein was looking for: A theory of everything.
In the final analysis, EVERYTHING is subject to selection pressures in the sense that, if it 'works', it stays, if not, it disappears. We have erroneously thought that it only goes for living creatures.
Jan
It might also be pure tautology - if it survives it's a survivor.
It might also be pure tautology - if it survives it's a survivor.
That's just a definition. A survivor we call something/somebody that survives. I don't see the tautology.
Jan
graviatational light bending through heavy masses is also visible through good telescopes, they call it
Gravitational lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gravitational lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you prefer, it survives if it survives.
The tautology is not in what I say, it's in the notion of survival of the "fittest" (or whatever one prefers to call it - that which "works"). By that token chaotic systems are frequently the fittest.
Not meant as a criticism - merely a slightly wry observation.
The tautology is not in what I say, it's in the notion of survival of the "fittest" (or whatever one prefers to call it - that which "works"). By that token chaotic systems are frequently the fittest.
Not meant as a criticism - merely a slightly wry observation.
If you look at this thread as an example, there are about three who talk sense. I bet they won't be the ones to switch off the lights. They'll probably be out of here long before me.
;-)
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Chaotic systems = survival of the most chaotic?
Harsh systems = survival of the harshest?
I am thinking about the Venus fly trap and the Polar bear.
Harsh systems = survival of the harshest?
I am thinking about the Venus fly trap and the Polar bear.
How is the red shift of light passing heavy objects else to be explained, than by the influence of the gravitational field? If C was to be absolutely constant, there would be no red shift. And why should light (EM radiation of a certain wavelength) answer to different rules than other forms of energy?
As I stated before, Einstein messed up with the location of his observatory. That mistake caused a lot of confusion ....
The frequency of light is different from c, which equals wavelength x frequency.
Einstein did not have an observatory. He was a theoretical physicist, and worked with paper and pencil.
If you look at this thread as an example, there are about three who talk sense. I bet they won't be the ones to switch off the lights. They'll probably be out of here long before me.
;-)
Yes, it's certainly getting far out around here.
Nobel winner declares boycott of top science journals:
Science Journals
"Leading academic journals are distorting the scientific process and represent a "tyranny" that must be broken, according to a Nobel prize winner who has declared a boycott on the publications."
http://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Miscellaneous/Download/5547
Science in Turmoil - Are we Funding Fraud?
by Dr. Jeremy Dunning-Davies
Science in Turmoil - Are we Funding Fraud?
Interesting stuff; thx for sharing. 😎
Someone who edits an open journal supports open journals! Someone else who edits an open journal publicises this support. Who would have thought it?
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