There is a lot of good information here, but I'd like to see even more on the same subject. And not all necessarily from a DIY perspective.
I've been looking at audiocircle.com for a while, but can't believe the amount of snake oil that exists there. Particularly with regard to cables. Apparently some of the 'circles' are paid for by manufacturers and they can say just about anything they want and can't be challenged. If someone does challenge them the board 'nazis' squelch it in a hurry.
So what are some of the other websites for high end audio that others are using these days. Thanks.
I've been looking at audiocircle.com for a while, but can't believe the amount of snake oil that exists there. Particularly with regard to cables. Apparently some of the 'circles' are paid for by manufacturers and they can say just about anything they want and can't be challenged. If someone does challenge them the board 'nazis' squelch it in a hurry.
So what are some of the other websites for high end audio that others are using these days. Thanks.
Hmm, this being a DIY website, the closest to 'high end' multiway I can think of is this one: DIY-Loudspeakers
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Yes, that's Troels Gravesen's web site and I'm very familiar with it.
I probably should have made my request more clear. I'm not just interest in other web sites for DIY speakers. This one is very good.
However, there is nothing else in my system that I would consider making DIY other than speakers. Not amplifiers, DACs, streamers, etc. All of those I would only purchase. So my request is for other websites that do a good job of covering all the other system components.
As I wrote initially, I thought that audiocircle.com would be a good resource. But the more I read on their website the more I realize that it is dominated by manufacturers whose 'circles' are sacrosanct. They can make any claims they want and no one is allowed to disagree or argue about it. And the cable manufacturers are the worst.
The only somewhat objective circle there is GR Research, which is actually a DIY speaker company.
So to summarize, my quest is for other web sites that provide objective information about all of the manufactured components needed to construct a reasonable cost system with outstanding audio performance.
I probably should have made my request more clear. I'm not just interest in other web sites for DIY speakers. This one is very good.
However, there is nothing else in my system that I would consider making DIY other than speakers. Not amplifiers, DACs, streamers, etc. All of those I would only purchase. So my request is for other websites that do a good job of covering all the other system components.
As I wrote initially, I thought that audiocircle.com would be a good resource. But the more I read on their website the more I realize that it is dominated by manufacturers whose 'circles' are sacrosanct. They can make any claims they want and no one is allowed to disagree or argue about it. And the cable manufacturers are the worst.
The only somewhat objective circle there is GR Research, which is actually a DIY speaker company.
So to summarize, my quest is for other web sites that provide objective information about all of the manufactured components needed to construct a reasonable cost system with outstanding audio performance.
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I understood your request, just have never had occasion/interest in consumer high end other than McIntosh and even then now just ancient history, so consequently wouldn't have paid any attention to any mention of such websites you desire, hence my response even though figured you were already familiar with it while others [lurkers] might not.
That said, way back when, 'Stereopile' [Stereophile] was the go-to magazine, but its website is mostly dead, so best I can recommend from a quick google 'high end' search is this one and otherwise bid you good luck!
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That said, way back when, 'Stereopile' [Stereophile] was the go-to magazine, but its website is mostly dead, so best I can recommend from a quick google 'high end' search is this one and otherwise bid you good luck!
What's Best Audio and Video Forum. The Best High End Audio Forum on the planet!
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Linkwitzlab is a goldmine of information on active (analogue) crossovers. The speakers were mainly open baffle designs but still a great resource for multiway setups.
Rob.
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Objective information can be misleading without the knowledge to interpret it (e.g. objective information on the performance of DACs). Apart from mics, speakers and the room most of the other components in the audio chain are pretty much commodities these days in the sense that competent modestly priced examples can be audibly neutral in use in the home. You are unlikely to get that impression from audiophile websites. You would interacting with technically knowledgeable professionals (i.e. people that need correct information for a technical day job) but, unfortunately, you are unlikely to find them to interact with on audiophile websites. Reading technical books and publications is likely to be more useful but that relies on the reader knowing a significant amount of basic fundamental technical knowledge which many with a hobby interest don't possess.
It is curious how the home audio world has evolved to drive out technical knowledge in order to maintain audiophile magical thinking. I suspect it would require a fair degree of disciplined effort by a typical hobbyists to step outside that world in order to access reliable information.
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There is not much not in the DIY domain except maybe discussion of box size, UPS limits, weights and other things related to shipping. Maybe some of the snake oil and how to sell it. ( most discussing I saw was someone selling $200 cables for a $150 pair of speakers)
AES published 4 anthologies on loudspeakers. A few thousand pages. Some in IEEE if you are a member.
I have seen some newer pieces on modeling the motor and various things discovered about it. Material science changes all the time.
There are forums specific to small topics, like IB subs etc.
Many of the cad tools have very good data in the help and manuals. HOLM. ARTA. REW, Hornres, etc. There is a good discussion of driver inductance on one of the TL sites.
Techtalk Speaker Building, Audio, Video Discussion Forum
There is not much not in the DIY domain except maybe discussion of box size, UPS limits, weights and other things related to shipping. Maybe some of the snake oil and how to sell it. ( most discussing I saw was someone selling $200 cables for a $150 pair of speakers)
AES published 4 anthologies on loudspeakers. A few thousand pages. Some in IEEE if you are a member.
I have seen some newer pieces on modeling the motor and various things discovered about it. Material science changes all the time.
There are forums specific to small topics, like IB subs etc.
Many of the cad tools have very good data in the help and manuals. HOLM. ARTA. REW, Hornres, etc. There is a good discussion of driver inductance on one of the TL sites.
"Reasonable" and "outstanding" are usually mutually exclusive. Now DIY can produce outstanding results but it is not cheap or quick. There is no magic known by the OEMs that is not in the DIY forums. Their only advantage is some of them design their own drivers.
Stepping outside "magic" is easy for those of us with technical education. Harder if you don't have a good background in physics and electronics.
Stepping outside "magic" is easy for those of us with technical education. Harder if you don't have a good background in physics and electronics.
Hi. So much great equipment is available second hand that I user older audio reviews like Home Page | Stereophile.com as a start .
Then other info about mods etc that can be done for instance for CD sources (Lampizator) CD_ALPHABETICAL
(Have modded a Kenwood DP7090 to his guide, just op amps and caps, to great effect).
Then other info about mods etc that can be done for instance for CD sources (Lampizator) CD_ALPHABETICAL
(Have modded a Kenwood DP7090 to his guide, just op amps and caps, to great effect).
I think my original post may have been misunderstood. Or I didn't make it clear enough.
I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and fully understand the electronic side of these discussions and websites.
I’ve already built some DIY speakers and am perfectly comfortable in doing more of them. And I'm convinced that DIYers can build speakers themselves, particularly using plans and crossovers which have been developed by experienced designers, that sound just as good, or better, than manufactured products costing 5 to 10 times as much.
It’s the electronics, particularly amplifiers and DACs, that I’m interested in knowing about product differences from evaluations by people who really understand equipment performance.
As I posted previously., you can gets lots of comments over at audiocircle.com, but they are all from the manufacturers themselves, or their fan clubs. Hardly unbiased and no one can criticize them or say anything negative. It's not allowed.
And many of the websites that do evaluations also depend on the same manufactures for their advertising dollars. So you know right off the bat that they are going to be biased and will never say anything negative either.
I do use Audio Science Review currently and agree with puppet's recommended.
So what I’m looking for is recommendations for other sites, like Audio Science Review, that can provide additional unbiased insight and comparisons for specific manufactured products.
I have a degree in Electrical Engineering and fully understand the electronic side of these discussions and websites.
I’ve already built some DIY speakers and am perfectly comfortable in doing more of them. And I'm convinced that DIYers can build speakers themselves, particularly using plans and crossovers which have been developed by experienced designers, that sound just as good, or better, than manufactured products costing 5 to 10 times as much.
It’s the electronics, particularly amplifiers and DACs, that I’m interested in knowing about product differences from evaluations by people who really understand equipment performance.
As I posted previously., you can gets lots of comments over at audiocircle.com, but they are all from the manufacturers themselves, or their fan clubs. Hardly unbiased and no one can criticize them or say anything negative. It's not allowed.
And many of the websites that do evaluations also depend on the same manufactures for their advertising dollars. So you know right off the bat that they are going to be biased and will never say anything negative either.
I do use Audio Science Review currently and agree with puppet's recommended.
So what I’m looking for is recommendations for other sites, like Audio Science Review, that can provide additional unbiased insight and comparisons for specific manufactured products.
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I just gave it a quick glance and that appears to be the type of site I'm looking for. I use REW, but didn't remember that I got it from this site.
They do have paid advertisers, however, so I need to read a few reviews to see if I think advertisers are having an undue influence.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm adding them to my list.
They do have paid advertisers, however, so I need to read a few reviews to see if I think advertisers are having an undue influence.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm adding them to my list.
No Probs, I haven't looked at the site much, gave it a cusory glance when I first got REW (I think you used to have to join the forum to be able to download it). I remembered it as being mostly commercial gear, which I wasn't really interested in, but certainly seemed to fit the bill for what you are asking 🙂
Tony.
Tony.
Ancient site with 25 Diy builds with expensive drivers
https://lampizator.eu/SPEAKERS/PROJECTS/Speaker projects.html
https://lampizator.eu/SPEAKERS/PROJECTS/Speaker projects.html
On facebooks there are many groups about this. One that is probally the best arround is this one DIY Loudspeaker Project Pad
A lot of you still don't understand what I've requested. And perhaps I haven't been clear enough.
It's not for more DIY speaker sites. This one is very good. Probably the best of all.
But we need other equipment, amplifiers, DACS, etc., to complete our systems. And what I'm looking for is other sites that review such commercial equipment and yet are objective and done by people who really understand the subject.
There are some equipment review sites that I think are heavily influenced by their advertisers. I'm looking for the ones that are not.
So it's objective equipment review sites that interest me at this point. Not more DIY speaker sites. This one is fine for that purpose. Thanks.
It's not for more DIY speaker sites. This one is very good. Probably the best of all.
But we need other equipment, amplifiers, DACS, etc., to complete our systems. And what I'm looking for is other sites that review such commercial equipment and yet are objective and done by people who really understand the subject.
There are some equipment review sites that I think are heavily influenced by their advertisers. I'm looking for the ones that are not.
So it's objective equipment review sites that interest me at this point. Not more DIY speaker sites. This one is fine for that purpose. Thanks.
The best i know, that does it full scientificly is audiosciencereview.com. They rely on measurements of all kind to judge audio equipment. Not on subjective impressions
All who don't rely on science are subjective by definition, so flawed. It's not that you can't get usefull info on it, but then you need to know their reference and how you see it. But to really know it, you need to hear it yourself. Wich is often very hard to do as most are not availeble in your region.
All who don't rely on science are subjective by definition, so flawed. It's not that you can't get usefull info on it, but then you need to know their reference and how you see it. But to really know it, you need to hear it yourself. Wich is often very hard to do as most are not availeble in your region.
Yeah, I agree. That's a very good site. I'm just looking for some others in order to get more than one perspective on the same piece of equipment.
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