Over in the OSDEHA thread we went from discussing a tube amp for electrostatic headphones to questions related to safety and lawyers. I don't want to further pollute the OSDEHA thread with this stuff, but I still feel like asking: what would be a good disclaimer and warning note related to the risks with high voltage DIY projects discussed on diyAudio?
I am not a lawyer, and I am not a native English speaker, so I asked Chat GPT. He (she?) suggested this:
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Warning: This DIY project involves high voltage, and users should have expert knowledge, follow strict safety precautions, and assume all risks associated with electrical work. The creators disclaim any liability for injuries or damages resulting from the use or misuse of this information.
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What do you guys think about this?
I am not a lawyer, and I am not a native English speaker, so I asked Chat GPT. He (she?) suggested this:
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Warning: This DIY project involves high voltage, and users should have expert knowledge, follow strict safety precautions, and assume all risks associated with electrical work. The creators disclaim any liability for injuries or damages resulting from the use or misuse of this information.
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What do you guys think about this?
I havent looked into it, but heresay mentions people losing life fooling around with microwave transformers, based on YT presentations on how to use those to make pretty burn patterns in a piece of wood. So it has happened I assume, but dont know if there has been any legal ramifications brought up to the video creator.
The above warning doesnt mention loss of life. Which I assume is a possibility.
One time I made a tire modification to a power wheels ride on for my kid. I thought selling plans on ebay would be a good idea. I looked into making up something regarding liability and found that I could get most of it from something already written. Seems that the deeper the pockets some corporation has, the more intense / airtight their liability disclaimer is. So I found a pretty good chunk from a company that made a product I used at work, but realized it would never be enough, as someone more versed in the art would be able to dance around in litigation whatever I - not being an attorney - could put out as a cobbled together statement.
I pulled the idea and let my competitors have it. Didnt want some kid driving over the 2X4 and into the in ground pool on my idea's account, for a petty amount of cash.
The above warning doesnt mention loss of life. Which I assume is a possibility.
One time I made a tire modification to a power wheels ride on for my kid. I thought selling plans on ebay would be a good idea. I looked into making up something regarding liability and found that I could get most of it from something already written. Seems that the deeper the pockets some corporation has, the more intense / airtight their liability disclaimer is. So I found a pretty good chunk from a company that made a product I used at work, but realized it would never be enough, as someone more versed in the art would be able to dance around in litigation whatever I - not being an attorney - could put out as a cobbled together statement.
I pulled the idea and let my competitors have it. Didnt want some kid driving over the 2X4 and into the in ground pool on my idea's account, for a petty amount of cash.
Strange. Maybe a formatting problem in your browser.
WARNING: Tube/Valve amplifiers use potentially LETHAL HIGH VOLTAGES.
Building, troubleshooting and testing of these amplifiers should only be
performed by someone who is thoroughly familiar with
the safety precautions around high voltages.
WARNING: Tube/Valve amplifiers use potentially LETHAL HIGH VOLTAGES.
Building, troubleshooting and testing of these amplifiers should only be
performed by someone who is thoroughly familiar with
the safety precautions around high voltages.
That warning is showed only one time, after the diyaudio.com cookie is set it wont show again.
Perhaps shifting responsibility to the other side?
* WARNING* This project is intended for qualified technicians. People who use the diagrams, construction plans, and other information shown are responsible for their own safety. Amateurs should refrain from building or using the diagrams, construction plans, and other information in any form.
I never see this notice either, since I don't delete diyAudio cookies. Maybe the site admins could consider changing the cookie behavior so that this notice does display at every visit for every user. But it's worth acknowledging that some users get annoyed by constant nag messages so you can't please everyone.
I don't see this as a nag message, just a friendly reminder.
Those who most need to see it, don't know they need to see it.
Those who most need to see it, don't know they need to see it.
It wouldn't bother me to see it every time either, but opinions vary of course. Just an observation -- nothing more.
It's also important to clarify so that diyAudio is not responsible for member injury or damages.
I think we are in general agreement about the usefulness of the notice. But I think the point being made is that if the intent of diyAudio is to display the notice consistently then that is not happening. I have no dog in the fight so I'll leave it to the site admins to decide what they want to do. I'm easy. 😉
I see it every time and in the sub-threads when using my iPhone and on my laptop (both using Chrome) regardless of shutdown.
Same here.
It will probably disappear (and be saved in the coockies) once you click the small cross on the top left corner:
edit:
just for your information, the forum rule notes (scroll down) also include a high voltage risk warning under item 3!
