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Wanted: Transformer, SE amorphous core for 6C33C

There are certain objective characteristics of audio transformer quality, such as inductance, winding self-capacitance, leakage inductance, magnetic properties of core material, frequency response, etc. These characteristics can be measured with simple equipment.

The know-how of transformer design is not secret., although some manufacturers would like their customers to believe that their stuff is somehow special, not like anyone else's because it is made with some secret recipe. Such claims should be always taken with caution, unless there is clear technical explanation. Not obfuscation, something like "proprietary winding technique" or magic inobtanium materials.
 
Amorphous and M6 might have different characteristic. I would not say which one is better, but it might depend on your application.

Potted transformer is better (at least for me). Been there myself comparing both.

I'm exploring Finemet now, which somehow I feel better balanced vs Amorphous. I love Permalloy most (Tamura F7xxx) but now no more...
 
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Amorphous and M6 might have different characteristic. I would not say which one is better, but it might depend on your application.
This is not so fuzzy.

Amorphous hysteresis 1% of M6. Since transformer distortion at higher frequencies is largely due to hysteresis, for mids and highs amorphous is superior in all applications.

Amorphous lamination thickness is 20 um; the best steel is 250 um. This means much less Eddy current loss and superior performance at higher frequencies for the amorphous.

The only area where steel is better is Bmax. This means that for the same low frequency performance, amorphous transformer must be substantially larger.

By "amorphous" I mean all different varieties of thin film material produced by extremely rapid cooling of molten magnetic alloys. This includes nanocrystalline, Finemet, Vitroperm, Metglas, etc. They all share common properties of high permeability, low hysteresis, and low magnetostriction.
 
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You probably meant 400 Euro a piece.
Nobody I know uses the amp they build for more than 2 years ...so much for a life
nope last year are at 400pair....this days the price skyrocket but for all unlucky
 

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There are certain objective characteristics of audio transformer quality, such as inductance, winding self-capacitance, leakage inductance, magnetic properties of core material, frequency response, etc. These characteristics can be measured with simple equipment.

The know-how of transformer design is not secret., although some manufacturers would like their customers to believe that their stuff is somehow special, not like anyone else's because it is made with some secret recipe. Such claims should be always taken with caution, unless there is clear technical explanation. Not obfuscation, something like "proprietary winding technique" or magic inobtanium materials.
well not all otp are good just look the test at ETF.....
 
Amorphous and M6 might have different characteristic. I would not say which one is better, but it might depend on your application.

Potted transformer is better (at least for me). Been there myself comparing both.

I'm exploring Finemet now, which somehow I feel better balanced vs Amorphous. I love Permalloy most (Tamura F7xxx) but now no more...
yep my 5kg amorphous are quite delusions what I gains in higher frequencies is lost in da bass vs ll1623 ,thats on EML300BXL .
better put money on good caps
 
This is not so fuzzy.

Amorphous hysteresis 1% of M6. Since transformer distortion at higher frequencies is largely due to hysteresis, for mids and highs amorphous is superior in all applications.

Amorphous lamination thickness is 20 um; the best steel is 250 um. This means much less Eddy current loss and superior performance at higher frequencies for the amorphous.

The only area where steel is better is Bmax. This means that for the same low frequency performance, amorphous transformer must be substantially larger.

By "amorphous" I mean all different varieties of thin film material produced by extremely rapid cooling of molten magnetic alloys. This includes nanocrystalline, Finemet, Vitroperm, Metglas, etc. They all share common properties of high permeability, low hysteresis, and low magnetostriction.
Although amorphous cores have many benefits above SiFe cores I see a lot bad designed amorphous transformers. They sound thinner then "normal" transformers. If that's what people think about amorphouse transformers i know they have the wrong design.....
 
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yep my 5kg amorphous are quite delusions what I gains in higher frequencies is lost in da bass vs ll1623 ,thats on EML300BXL .
better put money on good caps
So you bought the wrong designed transformer if you loose bass. A lot designers not fully understand the amorphous core and just swap cores and if they make costum designs most of them still not understand what a amorphous core can or not can do. I have seen swapped cores at Lundahl, Tribute , Monolith Magnetics

Which manufacturer you have? And what kind of transformer?