what CD player do you use?
I'll give you an example that many people fall for and don't understand why. The Supertramp CD - Brother Where You Bound - that is on sale now is completely different in recording compared to the CD released years ago with the A&M records label in 1985 AAD.
The difference is abysmal and has no comparison.
I'll give you an example that many people fall for and don't understand why. The Supertramp CD - Brother Where You Bound - that is on sale now is completely different in recording compared to the CD released years ago with the A&M records label in 1985 AAD.
The difference is abysmal and has no comparison.
@x9moto
is the cd attached to the vinyl player machine using its amp and box?
Because what you hear can be a result of a good amplifier and box combination.
I had some time a very nice system:
Rhedeko RK115 with a dual vinyl player with integrated amp.
Sounded great and involving bringing fun. Just sold it again because I had so much other good sounding gear.
But it was an ultimate vintage sound combination.
This it was
the player was one like this
is the cd attached to the vinyl player machine using its amp and box?
Because what you hear can be a result of a good amplifier and box combination.
I had some time a very nice system:
Rhedeko RK115 with a dual vinyl player with integrated amp.
Sounded great and involving bringing fun. Just sold it again because I had so much other good sounding gear.
But it was an ultimate vintage sound combination.
This it was
the player was one like this
The records are the authentic 1970s sound. The CDs were remastered in the 1980s or later.
1970s pop music was mostly natural-sounding. EQ and compression were used in moderation. Due to the limitations of analog tape, the treble was subdued and bass was mushy.
By comparison, 1980s pop music sounds bright and compressed. The difference is apparent in my record collection.
Ed
1970s pop music was mostly natural-sounding. EQ and compression were used in moderation. Due to the limitations of analog tape, the treble was subdued and bass was mushy.
By comparison, 1980s pop music sounds bright and compressed. The difference is apparent in my record collection.
Ed
For example, compare LPs of Heart's "Dreamboat Annie" (1975) to Heart's "Heart" (1985). "Dreamboat Annie" sounds much better.
Ed
Ed
If there is no battery backup, there could be a large uF "memory capacitor" that serves the same function.
If it goes bad, that will cause problems.
I'm not saying Spotify, per se, sounds bad. I just find it frustrating when I am looking for older music and the only version Spotify has available for that recording is a crappy sounding remaster. Some of their remasters sound good, but some do not. With Tidal I seem to come across poorly recorded remasters less often. Tidal is lossless and Spotify isn't. That may have something to do with it, but that is not something I am confident about.
I didn't say that LP sounds better than CD. I said my son prefers records over digital, but I am the opposite, meaning that I prefer digital. From an engineering perspective I can explain what about digital I like better than vinyl, but in the end this hobby is about music enjoyment. If my son prefers vinyl, more power to him and nothing wrong with that. If I prefer digital, nothing wrong with that.
That is not to say that I do not enjoy a good discussion about the merrits and weaknesses of different things from an engineering/scientific perspective. The problem arrises, in my opinion, when people start telling other people what they should and should not like. Taste is very personal, and nobody has a right to tell someone else that it is wrong to like something they like.
oooo, try to forget before it is too late 🙂
But, seriously, it is also depending a lot on what music you listen to. If you like old classical, jazz, acoustic records, than you ... well ... Omnem dimittite spem, o vos intrantes!
If you like synth I'm not quite sure. Also, if you listen to rather recent music, it is also not sure, unfortunately at least IMHO, current records are on various quality level (like before, but for new records you pay a lot).
On headphone, I was a happy man with my Senn HD560s, until I've tested once a HD800. Now I have a HD800, with my own OTL amp, but recently I have tested it with my Systemdek+HanaSL+tube riaa,... man, I wish I would have never tested it. Now when I listen to the dac I use normally (not bad, AD1865 nos with 5687 buffer), I'm always thinking on rather listening to an LP with headphone as well.
JG
Please never mind my rant above. I saw your post immediately following mine and thought it was directed to my post. I missed that you had directed it to x9moto.
no problem, you're welcome.
I'll add another thought to help you understand what happens between LPs and poor CDs: I have the original Dire Straits LP - Making Movies (1980) and also the first CD released a few years later. Listened to with a 21.5" arm and the Stanton 681eee is pure poetry.
I'll add another thought to help you understand what happens between LPs and poor CDs: I have the original Dire Straits LP - Making Movies (1980) and also the first CD released a few years later. Listened to with a 21.5" arm and the Stanton 681eee is pure poetry.
My all-time favorite CD player is from 1983. It's a nightmare to service.
Most CD's from around 1988-2012 sound terrible (loudness wars). Earlier CD's tended to have things done to them like digital reverb, which was new at the time and got tired really fast.
BUT if you found a true original boring silver disk that was done flat-transfer AAD from the original master tape, from the mid 1980's.... then that one might indeed sound stellar.
Or, if it is a private mastering, or very low-run copy, AAD etc. - again - excellent chances of it sounding phenomenal on the right equipment.
Frankly, collecting vintage vinyl is just easier for me than sourcing a proper decent CD as they were originally intended to be made. But yes, I do have a few great ones. Almost nothing mainstream from today is good at all. The major streaming services are abysmal - most people only listen on tiny little earplugs for their phone anyway.
Most CD's from around 1988-2012 sound terrible (loudness wars). Earlier CD's tended to have things done to them like digital reverb, which was new at the time and got tired really fast.
BUT if you found a true original boring silver disk that was done flat-transfer AAD from the original master tape, from the mid 1980's.... then that one might indeed sound stellar.
Or, if it is a private mastering, or very low-run copy, AAD etc. - again - excellent chances of it sounding phenomenal on the right equipment.
Frankly, collecting vintage vinyl is just easier for me than sourcing a proper decent CD as they were originally intended to be made. But yes, I do have a few great ones. Almost nothing mainstream from today is good at all. The major streaming services are abysmal - most people only listen on tiny little earplugs for their phone anyway.
I will never sell mine. Regarding vinyl- more money spent ,more frustrating the sound and more obsessive it becomes to replicate the original awe of vinyl reply on cheap & cheerful setup.
Comparing different formats is useless in my opinion. All of them sound different in a good or a bad way. I think good FM is best 🙂
Comparing different formats is useless in my opinion. All of them sound different in a good or a bad way. I think good FM is best 🙂
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Interesting. Dire Straits, Brothers in Arms, is the reason I signed up for Tidal.
I was listening to it on Spotify and something sounded off, the tonal balance was not right. I thought it was a problem with my system. I checked the cables, re-booted my streamer, but nothing fixed it. Then I pulled the original CD out of the cabinet and put it in my CD player. The magic was back.
I had recently seen a free one-month trial for Tidal, so I signed up to give it a try. The first LP I played was Brothers in Arms. I was switching back and forth between Spotify, Tidal and the original CD. Tidal's version of that LP sounded much closer to the original CD than Spotify. Tidal's version was close enough that, without a proper blind test to eliminate the placebo effect, I could not definitively say there was a difference. With Spotify's version, though, the difference was indisputable.
If the question is vinyl x CD in terms of media, CD is better by far.
In your case, I think the real question is "old studio sound produced for vinyl" x "modern studio sound produced for CD".
In this case, in general, sound produced for vinyl used to be much better. No loudness war, no lo-fi mania, no obsession with compressors etc.
People most of time compare the combo: the media+studio sound. Then, vinyl most of times, sounds better even the media being worse.
But the culprit is not the CD. CD is the victim.
Isn't it because everyone and my uncle considers themselves an artist and nobody wants to dig the ditches ? My GF went to visit her GF in LA and half of the town is in a mental state of waiting to be discovered 🙂
Not to be pedantic (ok, I am), but "LP" generally means vinyl, as this was a descriptor for a Long Playing record back in the day.
jeff
eh yes, there are few crazy people today who still listen to music with hi-fi systems of a certain level. I think that I will never recover from this thing. now I want to make the guitar amp and then I'll stop! maybe...
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