Or even what is the life? And what is the consciousness? Anyone who has had a general anaesthetic will have asked this I think. And what's more, you won't get any answers. Banishing consciousness: the mystery of anaesthesia | New Scientist
Being empathetic has nothing to do with being vegan. I can be empathetic still being omnivorous. Then from my perspective one has to define a line with being empathetic because Nature is not empathetic at all. It only is occasionally. I didn't mean at all that I don't care about animals. Because I live, appreciate and respect Nature I don't like to be out of it in a "new" world. I have grown up this way and I have no reason to change my mind. I don't see anything wrong about it. I don't care if this is what most people think or I am only part of a minority.
Free range animals don't need artificial food, only need some natural food and naturally grown food that is way cheaper to produce because it doesn't have all the restrictions of the food for humans. Wild game don't need anything artificial. I actually made the example of the hens that can feed mostly on the family organic waste! That's also eco-friendly (big saving!) and one gets eggs and chickens. I see no reason not to eat chicken. Same with the pig. The fact is that All edible animals are vegan, vegetarian and some omnivorous. So food cost it is not a problem for them. On top of that what you save on feeding animals you have to eat it because the vegan diet is less efficient. Intensive farming is business and is not the same thing. As you say the problem is just business and I am sure that even if we all go vegan there will be business. So it is not a solution. Nothing will change, vegan or not, until money will be less important....but money gives power so that's not going to happen.
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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If there's anything else of importance I must have missed it
It's an old idea rebranded. Like the others it will fail in it's ultimate aim because it's exclusive. Individuals pick 'n' mix from it regardless of what the Vegan Society or PETA excetera would like. The ideology creates unnecessary problems, as an example, there is a discussion about whether having a guide dog is ethical. It's positive that it's discussed, most things that are not in the explicit stated philosophy of the Vegan Society are shut down within the organisations.
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Just on the subject of plants having feelings.
I found this :
21 Stupid Things People Say To Vegans
Excerpt:
7. But vegetables feel pain too. I saw this on a vegan forum once, a response so brilliant, I wish I could take credit… “I tell you what, I will jab you in the eye with this carrot – let’s see who feels more pain, you or the carrot”. If plants could feel pain, they would have evolved a mechanism for avoid it. And meat eaters are still eating plants, it is just processed through the bodies of animals, so if they really cared about plant-rights they would give up meat.
I found this :
21 Stupid Things People Say To Vegans
Excerpt:
7. But vegetables feel pain too. I saw this on a vegan forum once, a response so brilliant, I wish I could take credit… “I tell you what, I will jab you in the eye with this carrot – let’s see who feels more pain, you or the carrot”. If plants could feel pain, they would have evolved a mechanism for avoid it. And meat eaters are still eating plants, it is just processed through the bodies of animals, so if they really cared about plant-rights they would give up meat.
Given that listeners commonly refer to vinyl sound as "organic" and using it for one's audio craving may be considered as sacrifice of it (grooves wear out). This would make CDs Buddhists or possibly vegans.
The arguments interest me on both sides. When omnivores are challenged on the ethics of eating meat they often seem to come up with ridiculous excuses and counter arguments. I wonder whether those who do that do actually feel guilty, I think many must do, otherwise why do they feel so strongly that they have to defend their position?Sorry SJ, you are far too thoughtful.
Must be the "natural urge".
What's that? Not all have it and it's the end of discussion? Oh, OK.
What's the etc? Plants have the abilities to perceive, move, learn, communicate without the brain and nervous systems of animals. There are some animals that don't have a brain
I'm not one, but they certainly exist, yes. Obviously, the environment in which military service is performed varies a lot (some people in the military are basically working office jobs) and with it, one imagines, the difficulty of following any particular set of dietary preferences.
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