Just as I thought. The discussion of 'wood as enclosure' for the electronics has evolved into one about the seat of consciousness and so on... Which reinforces my belief that the whole thing is more of superstition than anything!
Actually it is a lot of discussion having nothing to do with the original thread. The Mods ought to move the psycho-acoustical discussion to a different thread IMO.
I agree. This thread's temperature has rised a lot, gentlemen.
How I see this problem is like this: if you don't honestly hear a difference with different box materials, interconnects, power cords and so on...thank the Lord every night in your prayers because the life of those (like me) that do hear differences is terrible (and fun). 🙂
M
How I see this problem is like this: if you don't honestly hear a difference with different box materials, interconnects, power cords and so on...thank the Lord every night in your prayers because the life of those (like me) that do hear differences is terrible (and fun). 🙂
M
How about starting a thread on cables with an isolation of wood ?
Anyone got the balls to start a material enclosure thread on the tube forum, seem to recall that those have been built in anything but epoxy resin composites.
Shoot, i just discovered that i am in audio hell !
Anyone got the balls to start a material enclosure thread on the tube forum, seem to recall that those have been built in anything but epoxy resin composites.
Shoot, i just discovered that i am in audio hell !
How about drilling a hole down the shafts of maple dowels (or rare Brazilian mysterywood) and threading them with cryogenicly treated 99.999% pur silve wire. The results should be groundbreaking, revolutionary, astounding, profound . . . . .
I think you would really need to use non-dried (green) branches. Ideally, you could transplant a tree in between your anp and speakers, and run the wire through limbs of the living tree.
I am sorry, i have just driven a WOODEN pencil through my middle ear.
(btw, i just had a try on BrianGT GC's, the sound quality led me to deciding to remove the hardware stuff from the 4 STEEL METAL boxes and place them in wooden enclosures for better sound quality. I am convinced the metal enclosure is responsible for the current performance)
(btw, i just had a try on BrianGT GC's, the sound quality led me to deciding to remove the hardware stuff from the 4 STEEL METAL boxes and place them in wooden enclosures for better sound quality. I am convinced the metal enclosure is responsible for the current performance)
If you're serious, then I'd really like to know what your listening impressions are.jacco vermeulen said:
i wasnt serious about the overall impression related to the enclosure.
But with the GC it is easy to change enclosure, it only takes a couple of holes and placing the transformer, the rectifier pcb and the powerchip pcb with its heatsink.
Making a couple in wood is not much trouble, and for next to no cost.
The GC is something i wanted to try anyway and nothing more, if no one ever did a material comparison i might as well instead of jabbering on threads.
But with the GC it is easy to change enclosure, it only takes a couple of holes and placing the transformer, the rectifier pcb and the powerchip pcb with its heatsink.
Making a couple in wood is not much trouble, and for next to no cost.
The GC is something i wanted to try anyway and nothing more, if no one ever did a material comparison i might as well instead of jabbering on threads.
I've certainly done material comparisons, and I've taken measurements as well as listened (I would imagine that Charlie has done the same). But given the tone of many of the responses in this thread so far, I've concluded that posting that kind of information would be a total waste of time.
jonathan carr
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I joke around alot, and certainly have opinions about it, but I am open to change. If there is a measurable difference (other than "it sounds more open anf free" and the like) then I will be a convert.
The best test, I would think would require movinf the components of an amp between two cases, with identical placement relative to one another. If the transformer, for example, is it different relationship to the main board, then that could be the cause of the changes and not the case. It's all basic test control, but a lot of work.
When I say measureable, btw, I mean some measurable difference in the electrical output. Is it possible that there are things we cannot measure? Yes. But in that case they cannot be proven. It is simply faith.
I would love to hear more, so please post your findings. Don;t confuse my joking around and general poor sense of humour for condemnation. I mean it when I say seek your bliss.
-Brian
I joke around alot, and certainly have opinions about it, but I am open to change. If there is a measurable difference (other than "it sounds more open anf free" and the like) then I will be a convert.
The best test, I would think would require movinf the components of an amp between two cases, with identical placement relative to one another. If the transformer, for example, is it different relationship to the main board, then that could be the cause of the changes and not the case. It's all basic test control, but a lot of work.
When I say measureable, btw, I mean some measurable difference in the electrical output. Is it possible that there are things we cannot measure? Yes. But in that case they cannot be proven. It is simply faith.
I would love to hear more, so please post your findings. Don;t confuse my joking around and general poor sense of humour for condemnation. I mean it when I say seek your bliss.
-Brian
jcarr said:
Please don't let the dunderheads win! Just start a new thread. Face it, these petty (not sure what word to use) happen all the time on this forum, it has turned into a cost of doing business for those who want to share ideas. I am disappointed that someone with your wealth of knowledge would have to put up with this...., but I for one would be MOST interested as I am right now building up a whole bunch of enclosures at once (much faster).
Oh go on! Not doing something just because you feel pressured by other people is daft! You shouldn't care about how other people might treat you because of such a thing. Plus I'd be very interested in the results. Just be sure to accurately describe your methodology so others can reproduce your results.jcarr said:
You can prove that a difference exists even where there is no measurable electrical difference. If the difference can reliably be detected in a double-blind listening test then that can be taken as strong evidence that a difference really exists.WorkingAtHome said:
jcarr said:
Jonathan,
If you don't mind me posting this picture here, one can presume that some experimentation with different chassis material must have been done and the outcome is wood-metal hybrid. It's not that often that SS preamp chassis is built like that. Was it more aesthetics or choice of wood was indeed due to influence on sonic signature?
I must admit, that I'm quite inspired by this chassis design, and presently, I'm also working on a preamp with wooden side panels (2" Mardone Burl) which will also act as structural elements.
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O haio gazaimasu, Mr Carr.
The term "jabbering" was not directed to you or Mr Hansen.
I think it is obvious that you do not need to have further proof, nor some of your collegues in Japan.
My line was merely a confirmation of Grey Rollins words.
Sumimasen.
I am sure Nelson Pass can make a great Martini, as to whether he'll drink it ?
Haha. But seriously, I can't just take anyones word for it. No matter how intelligent, respected or whatever they are, just becasue they say something is so, doesn't make it so. An essential part of science is reproducible experiments. If it wasn't considered important then cold fusion would be an accepted fact, and I could say that placing a photo of myself in the fridge makes my system sound better and anyone who disagrees simply hasn't done the test properly.leadbelly said:
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