Do you know any USB oscilloscope that, with a software, can be used also as a FFT ?
Thanks,
Davide
Thanks,
Davide
Almost any of them, one of the least expensive for audio frequency work would be the Syscomp Circuit Gear CGR-101 ($189 from Saelig, a bit less perhaps elsewhere).
It also uses 10-bit ADCs, for a theoretical 60 dB dynamic range which would get you close to being able to observe 0.1% THD using the FFT analysis. The typical 8-bit scopes with FFT are pretty much worthless for any distortion analysis as their 48 dB range limits distortion analysis to just a bit better than 0.5%.
It also uses 10-bit ADCs, for a theoretical 60 dB dynamic range which would get you close to being able to observe 0.1% THD using the FFT analysis. The typical 8-bit scopes with FFT are pretty much worthless for any distortion analysis as their 48 dB range limits distortion analysis to just a bit better than 0.5%.
If audio is all you need, you can just use a sound card and Baudline.
baudline signal analyzer - FFT spectrogram
baudline signal analyzer - FFT spectrogram
I have designed an USB/PC based oscilloscope that can also do real-time FFT. Available as a self-assembly kit or fully built up and tested:
DPScope - A Low-Cost PC-Based Oscilloscope
Regards,
Wolfgang
DPScope - A Low-Cost PC-Based Oscilloscope
Regards,
Wolfgang
It seem to be an interesting product, and good value for money.
However, a very important point for an audio instrument is the dynamic range.
I don't have find which resolution allow this instrument. Probably 8 or 10 bits...
Unfortunately, FFT will be not very usable for fine audio investigations.
it's still a very good job !
Frex
However, a very important point for an audio instrument is the dynamic range.
I don't have find which resolution allow this instrument. Probably 8 or 10 bits...
Unfortunately, FFT will be not very usable for fine audio investigations.
it's still a very good job !
Frex
Resolution is 8 bits as you suspected (except for datalogger mode, where it is 10 bits).
The hardware itself would support 10 bits, although the maximum sample rate would be a bit lower (takes more time to store 2 bytes per sample than 1), but that wouldn't be a big issue - around 200 to 500 kSamples/sec would still be more than enough for audio. 10 bit sampling would need some changes to microcontroller firmware and PC software, but nothing really dramatic.
The hardware itself would support 10 bits, although the maximum sample rate would be a bit lower (takes more time to store 2 bytes per sample than 1), but that wouldn't be a big issue - around 200 to 500 kSamples/sec would still be more than enough for audio. 10 bit sampling would need some changes to microcontroller firmware and PC software, but nothing really dramatic.
Hi
10bit and 500ksps would be fine,
just make sure the input conditioning gives the 10bit -> 60dB dynamic range, too.
Please, add a FFT screen pic to your web page.
BR
Gary
10bit and 500ksps would be fine,
just make sure the input conditioning gives the 10bit -> 60dB dynamic range, too.
Please, add a FFT screen pic to your web page.
BR
Gary
I have designed an USB/PC based oscilloscope that can also do real-time FFT. Available as a self-assembly kit or fully built up and tested:
DPScope - A Low-Cost PC-Based Oscilloscope
Regards,
Wolfgang
Well I'll be, I just read your instructable today. I am going to be purchasing one of your kits once I have a job again (anyone want a chemist in San Diego? 😛).
Nice job on it.
I had forgotten about the StingRay. It has been available for several years now, and is 12-bit.
The software is decent, better than many others, and most important to me it let's you change the ghastly black background to something readable on an LCD screen. I am often bemused by how PC instrument manufacturers are so hell-bent on simulating "real" instruments that they simulate the bad parts too--like black background display areas, unnecessary range selection buttons, and the like.
But why my cheap sound card can do 24 bit and this more exoensive toy only 12 v
? Will you be able to see intermodulation between 1000 and 50 hz?
? Will you be able to see intermodulation between 1000 and 50 hz?
Picotec sells interesting products, with higher bandwidth and more resolution.
One of it's product, the picoscope4224 is a 2 channel DSO with 20Mhz bandwidth( 80Ms/s), and native resolution of 12bits wich can be up to 16bits when using enhanced resolution function.The DNR is 72dB and buffer memory is 32Msamples.
It cost about 800$/600€.
Pico oscilloscope range - compare oscilloscope specifications and prices
It sell also better products, but the price goes up !
Frex
One of it's product, the picoscope4224 is a 2 channel DSO with 20Mhz bandwidth( 80Ms/s), and native resolution of 12bits wich can be up to 16bits when using enhanced resolution function.The DNR is 72dB and buffer memory is 32Msamples.
It cost about 800$/600€.
Pico oscilloscope range - compare oscilloscope specifications and prices
It sell also better products, but the price goes up !
Frex
Interesting !! But the "better products" have only 8 bit resolution, although wider bandwidth. So I guess the 4000 series is optimal for audio application. It also allows for higher voltage signals. Am I correct ?
D.
D.
I guess that the limitation of the vertical resolution applies also to benchtop oscilloscope. I saw almost all the tektronix models have FFT function, but the affordable one 8 bit resolution.
So, the USB should be a better choice.
D.
So, the USB should be a better choice.
D.
For audio frequencies, your best bet is really a good sound card with some FFT software. TrueRTA is an example of such software.
The biggest challenge with spectrum analyzers is the dynamic range - i.e. their ability to measure small signals in the presence of large signals. Modern 24-bit sound cards offer a dynamic range on the order of 95-100 dB. With 192 kHz sampling frequency you should be able to sample upwards of 70 kHz without too much fuzz. The theoretical limit would be 96 kHz (0.5*fs).
The only drawback of sound cards is that their input sensitivity is fairly crappy. Typically, they're hard-wired at about 10 Vpeak full scale. But there are ways around this. Look at Pete Millett's sound card interface. Pete's quite active in the tube forum and a few months back there was a thread dedicated to the builds of that sound card interface. An interface like this will allow you to measure relatively small voltages (20 mV) at the full resolution of the sound card.
~Tom
The biggest challenge with spectrum analyzers is the dynamic range - i.e. their ability to measure small signals in the presence of large signals. Modern 24-bit sound cards offer a dynamic range on the order of 95-100 dB. With 192 kHz sampling frequency you should be able to sample upwards of 70 kHz without too much fuzz. The theoretical limit would be 96 kHz (0.5*fs).
The only drawback of sound cards is that their input sensitivity is fairly crappy. Typically, they're hard-wired at about 10 Vpeak full scale. But there are ways around this. Look at Pete Millett's sound card interface. Pete's quite active in the tube forum and a few months back there was a thread dedicated to the builds of that sound card interface. An interface like this will allow you to measure relatively small voltages (20 mV) at the full resolution of the sound card.
~Tom
So you think sound card is superior to the USB scope. I looked at Pete's project, and based on that I assembled an interface that just reduce the amplitudes of the signal I want to measure and protect the input from DC.
Any reccomandation for a USB sound card ?
D.
Any reccomandation for a USB sound card ?
D.
Hi,
this is a bit OT, but it is a FFT and is "dirt cheap".
it's a DSO with FFT for less than $50+shipping
🙂
sorry?
JYE Tech Oscilloscopes | Google Groups
this is a bit OT, but it is a FFT and is "dirt cheap".
it's a DSO with FFT for less than $50+shipping
🙂
sorry?
JYE Tech Oscilloscopes | Google Groups
Thanks for the info on the new FFT software for the JYE scope; I hadn't heard about that yet. However, still the same problem as above, with only 8 bits of resolution. No good for distortion analysis.
Or a usb spectrum analyzer based on Software Defined Radio (sdr)
RF Frequency Range: 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz
Wide dynamic range: -140 dBm to +15 dBm
signalhound
RF Frequency Range: 1 Hz to 4.4 GHz
Wide dynamic range: -140 dBm to +15 dBm
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