I feel certain that mainstream science will be the last to take the phenomena seriously. Behind even the religious, who would more readily accept the phenomena as either proof of God's universal creativity, or proof of hell and demons. Scientists have their peer reputations to consider in order to maintain their careers. They are not as free to engage in certain fields of study and not be ridiculed as unserious and unprofessional as we would like to imagine.
If anyone is interested here are images photos ( readable) of the Wilson Memo by Eric Davis:
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I think that is perhaps true for the scientifically educated in general but from my own research I get the impression scientists have school debts, mortgages and children to provide for. Scientists are no more principled than anybody else and reservations about doing research in pseudo-science fall by the way side when the price is right. Fact is, until Robert Bigelow stepped in there wasn’t a lot of money in fringe topics unless you’re producing a show for the history channel.
Can any of you "believers" recommend any forums or websites that you use for getting information that help formed your views.
And better still, have any of you written any articles or published any papers in this subject matter, that one can read online?
PS Thanks to all participants in this thread (and the other closed one)..its been a quite enjoyable and enlightening journey into a topic that has taken me down a few web wormholes
Here is an historical look at "imminent UFO disclosure"
Official UFO Disclosure “May Be Imminent” – A Historical Perspective, page 1
Its probably not just what you believe, it could also be, who do you believe (or is that whom?)
And better still, have any of you written any articles or published any papers in this subject matter, that one can read online?
PS Thanks to all participants in this thread (and the other closed one)..its been a quite enjoyable and enlightening journey into a topic that has taken me down a few web wormholes
Here is an historical look at "imminent UFO disclosure"
Official UFO Disclosure “May Be Imminent” – A Historical Perspective, page 1
Its probably not just what you believe, it could also be, who do you believe (or is that whom?)
Not in my experience, I've worked with or been taught by quite famous scientists including Nobel laureates and some not so famous (ironically my first boss as a student intern is now a chief scientist on NASA's TESS) and they all would be considered quite affluent by most people's standards. It is true they had nothing to do with pseudo-science (is that what you meant to say?) but who would?
Where would you put someone like Erik Verlinde? I like his ideas a lot but he is still seems an adherent to the mainstream scientific method which is fine by me.
Cynical comments like the above add little to rational discussion.
I like Eric Verlinde. I once saw an interview with him, and the interviewer asked: what is the most important thing your students must learn?
"I want them to develop a strong problem-solving ability".
Yes, but what do they actually learn? The interviewer clearly was out of his depth.
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"I want them to develop a strong problem-solving ability".
Yes, but what do they actually learn? The interviewer clearly was out of his depth.
Jan
I know a few scientists and can confirm that is is absolutely true. Especially in the lucrative medicine and climate change funding circles, there is a great deal of BS. Buyer beware.
Maybe you took it the wrong way and that’s okay.
Of course there’s strongly principled scientists, just as there’s strongly principled auto mechanics and audio engineers; are you somehow bothered that I might imply scientists are still mere mortals?
There’s even some decent lawyers out there - go ask one where more money is: labor law for a union or being a corporate lawyer for the insurance industry?
Talk to a professional psychiatrist - better yet, look inside their house. Inside you might find pens, pint glasses, hoodies, mousepads and other assorted swag emblazoned with pharmaceutical brands. My wife’s ex father-in-law was one. He’d go on paid cruises sponsored by pharmaceutical companies with the stipulation he sat through a sales seminar. He came back from one and memorably told my wife and her then-husband, ‘if you know anybody taking this medication, stop being friends with them.’
I’m glad you’re sitting down, Scott:
Jeffrey Epstein’s Links To Scientists Are Even More Extensive Than We Thought
Private jets, parties and eugenics: Jeffrey Epstein’s bizarre world of scientists
Further reading:
Trust Us We're Experts: How Industry Manipulates Science and Gambles with Your Future
Here’s a great Vanity Fair article profiling what happens when a prestigious Harvard psychiatrist (John Mack) attempted to investigate what was behind the alien abduction phenomenon: Alien Nation: Have Humans Been Abducted by Extraterrestrials?
Here is an article about John Mack and his use of Hypnotic regression.
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The Vanity Fair piece is a nice story but short on real data.
Mack's "mysterious death" is a tragic car-pedestrian incident - the sort of thing that occurs regularly just in the city I reside. Nothing at all mysterious about it.
But such use of language keeps the conspiracy wheels turning. And people will continue to carelessly step in front of them.
And for the record, I'm not a materialist.
Mack's "mysterious death" is a tragic car-pedestrian incident - the sort of thing that occurs regularly just in the city I reside. Nothing at all mysterious about it.
But such use of language keeps the conspiracy wheels turning. And people will continue to carelessly step in front of them.
And for the record, I'm not a materialist.
Very funny when you realize they’ve come to the right place to get it. We take Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and gold-pressed Latium.
Yeah the wheels come off towards the end and I think there’s nothing suspicious about his death. I still like the thrust of it.
The abductions and psychic healing stuff?
The thrust being that a credentialed researcher of fringe (aka pseudoscientific) claims risks ridicule, but gains the fame otherwise lacking in their conventional investigations?
On the face of it, there's some level of appropriateness for a psychiatrist to undertake the endeavor of seeking answers to the phenomenon of abductions. That doesn't lend credence to the truthfulness of an abduction, only the truthfulness that such a claim was made.
As noted earlier with Newton, even "got it together" people can have otherwise hair-brained ideas. Perhaps that is true to one degree or another for everyone. Either their philosophy has failed them, or they've failed their philosophy. It's fun being human.
The Betty Hill rebuttal section of Wikipedia's Hill abduction entry is a hoot. When the kooks are calling you a kook, you've achieved something.
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There was mention of unpleasant probings in there. I was jumped on for bringing that up. So I guess we better hold on to those old Barry White 8 tracks after all. 😀
It is intriguing when they talk about losing time. I've read about claims like this regarding flights through the "Bermuda Triangle." And I remember reading claims of pilots driving through a storm cloud and arriving at their destination impossibly early, as if they were subject to time dilation. I would be interested in actual reality based explanations of how this happened, or what's wrong with the stories. Are they all part of a big hoax? 😕
I did travel through the Bermuda Triangle on a jet a couple of times. What I remember is a real bumpy ride and terrifying wind shear. I saw people fly like they were the Flying Nun. I saw beverages shoot straight out of bottles. I saw people get body slammed like they were hit by an invisible train. The plane was slamming up and down at unbelievable velocities. I was concerned that the plane was going to sustain damage. It was frightening and lots of people were vomiting. But no time dilation.
I was just reading about Charles Berlitz. 20 million+ books sold, $20M+ at the box office for the movie. And there's nothing mysterious about the Bermuda Triangle claims.
Time dilation is common - the work day is a lot longer than your day off. We need actual measurements (You've heard that before I'm sure. The ramifications of subjective audio are nowhere as severe in my estimation).
Time dilation is common - the work day is a lot longer than your day off. We need actual measurements (You've heard that before I'm sure. The ramifications of subjective audio are nowhere as severe in my estimation).
I'm talking about actual measurable time dilation, not subjective perception of time. The pilots claim that the instruments actually indicate that time dilation has apparently taken place.
If they're right, then it is indeed a mystery, to me anyway. Is it a hoax? If it's real, then I want to know the actual scientific explanation for this phenomenon.
If they're right, then it is indeed a mystery, to me anyway. Is it a hoax? If it's real, then I want to know the actual scientific explanation for this phenomenon.