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I loved my LP12, it had an Ittok and an Asaka and it was great. Mind you, I was working for a Linn dealer at the time and it was all trade less 10%, except for the Ittok which I got, refurbished for £120 and later sold for £275...🙄

I wasn't quite so impressed by the Ekos I replaced it with - £895 full price (better, but not that much!) - happy days.

I had to sell it - needed the money :bawling:

Looking to find something lesser to fill the yawning gap😕
 
#23
Hi,

Sorry to burst bubbles but no Linn Dreck I ever heard ever came close to a master tape...

While some well set up samples could play a basic tune, none had the dynamic scale you can expect from a good, well designed TT.

The Linn tonearms are even worse...
Sorry to say so but Ivor Tiefenbrunn must have been the marketing example for Bill Gates.

Microcrap at macrodollars,😉
 
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fdegrove said:
Hi,

Sorry to burst bubbles but no Linn Dreck I ever heard ever came close to a master tape...

While some well set up samples could play a basic tune, none had the dynamic scale you can expect from a good, well designed TT.

The Linn tonearms are even worse...
Sorry to say so but Ivor Tiefenbrunn must have been the marketing example for Bill Gates.

Microcrap at macrodollars,😉
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Hi Frank,

You'r talking my language!

I had one of the best LP12 ever, still my Oracle is better than the LP12 with PINK LINK PSU!

Best regards,

Audiofanatic 😉
 
#25
Hi,

I had one of the best LP12 ever, still my Oracle is better than the LP12 with PINK LINK PSU!
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The Oracle isn't all that great either I'm afraid....

Suspended TT rule #1: anything that moves loses energy dixit Isaac Newton.

We don't write letters on pillows either, do we?

Ever had a chance to listen to a Decca on a NA Mentor Reference?
Or, the other end of the scale; a Jan Allaerts MC on a NA?

That's more like my language even though it not a "perfect" analogy...

Puts any CD based system to shame, I promiss.

Cheers,😉
 
#26
Frank,

I do not buy that argument that tables that are supported with a suspension cannot sound as good as those that do not. After all a car have a smooth ride because of the suspension as well as trains. If I a writing table that had a suspension strong enough there would be no problem to write on it.
😀 Having said that, there are fine tables made with and without suspensions.

Also, some people live in houses with wood sub floors that do tansmitt energy, so for them a suspension is a good thing.

Cheers
:hohoho:
 
#27
Hi,

I do not buy that argument that tables that are supported with a suspension cannot sound as good as those that do not.
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Have you tried?
Granted there's more to good TT design than just this but it's a good start...

To put it simply, you want all the information from the record you can get so you want low compliance carts reading from a low compliance platform at as close to the ideal speed as possible, no?

Pardon me but it's going to be one tough cookie to fool Newton, so, when you have a suspended floorboard you just need a wall shelf to solve this, right?

With DIY you're freed from the dilemmas designers need to tackle, what if this or that....

BTW, be that a suspended TT or not it's always a good idea the have it on a shelf on the wall. Why?

Cheers,😉
 
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fdegrove said:


BTW, be that a suspended TT or not it's always a good idea the have it on a shelf on the wall. Why?

Cheers,😉
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Hi Frank,

I've got to say that in my house (c.1850's) the walls shake from the bass, and the floor is pretty tame. - I'd planned to stick my sondek on a shelf, but if you put your hand on the wall in the next room😱 - I'll take the floor option here please😀


Cheers

Rob
 
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fdegrove said:
Hi,



Lucky you.... A thatched cottage?

What's shaking most are the floorbards, not the sidewalls though.




Cheers,😉
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I wish it was Frank - You're in the right area but this is a farm 'lodge' so tile roof, much bodging of building..😉 The floor seems to be concrete, whereas the original parts of the building are 'wattle and daub' so nope, the floor ain't moving, but the walls sure are 🙂 Honestly put your hand to the wall adjoining my listening room 😱 Terrible - initial measurements say I have hardly any room gain...

Cheers

Rob
 
#34
Funniest thing Frank is that this room has given me the most satisfaction of all the places I've lived in - I've measured it and its pretty smooth except a big null at 40Hz..

I'm saving for some TT upgrades, was planning on an ittok arm and a decent cartridge. Some comments above suggest selling up and moving out..🙂

Cheers

Rob
 
#35
Hi,

I'm saving for some TT upgrades, was planning on an ittok arm and a decent cartridge.
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You Britts, you know....Ittok = Tick Tock...

A better cart, yes, but which one?

Funniest thing Frank is that this room has given me the most satisfaction of all the places I've lived in - I've measured it and its pretty smooth except a big null at 40Hz..
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By all means, stay! Sounds like a great house with a soul to me...(beats all the math, doesn't it?)

Next time I'm in misty land I'll bring along that magic wand and pay a visit to the Wells family....

Just kidding....😉
 
#36
""A better cart, yes, but which one?""

I'm looking at spending about £500 on the cartridge (that's a lot of overtime I'm going to have to work..) I don't know whether I'll buy new or a second hand 'very good' one - I'll decide when the money is burning a hole..

I'm in the middle of a big system shake up, so I've also got to get a decent phonostage, and better amps aswell. (plus finish my speaker project)

""Next time I'm in misty land I'll bring along that magic wand and pay a visit to the Wells family....""

You'd be welcome Frank...

Cheers

Rob
 
#37
TT & Arm!

Hi Frank, Rob and others,

I have to say that Frank is right about the Oracle. The best sounding TT I've ever heard was an Orca with a Morch arm and a Shelter 901 on a Symposium board. I'll try to attach a pic of it.

That monster took me 3 days to get it running/sounding at it's best.

I now use the IKEDA arm this arm is not cheap but it's one of the best ars I had. EURO 4400,=
I'm planning in making a DIY TT like the Teres but with an aluminum base like the KUZMA!

For those who has a LINN or an Oracle, make shure it bounces only in a vertical way otherwise you'll not get the best sound it can produce!

Best regards,


Audiofanatic 😉
 

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#39
Magnetmaz said:
If you had $1500, and were looking for a good used turntable, what brands and models would you go after? I realize Linn Sondek ( though i hear it somewhat colors the sound ), Gyro, Oracle Delphi (?)

advice? good / bad experiences ?

-Maz
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And i really want something that looks cool.
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For what its worth IMO suspended turntables can make
very nice noices if set up / modded / finely tuned / tweaked
by someone who absolutely knows what they are doing -
that is not relying on dogma or blind faith.

Don't know if you ever got the Pink Triangle over there.

Seems to me the Gyro / Oracle with a Rega fits the bill.

In my experience extracting the best out of a suspended
design is very tricky. Solids are easier to set up.

Did you get the Roksan and Rock over there ?

If you fancy the solid route transplanting a modded Rega to one
of your Technics with a few other tweaks sounds good to me.

2 Technics 1200mk2's and 1 transcriptors Saturn w/ vestigial arm
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The Rega will be a huge step in performance compared to these arms.

🙂 sreten.
 
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