It's stunning actually that the electrical energy to separate the water in the first place is always ignored as a cost. These water powered cars are a lame scam.
>he came up with what he said was a practical way to extract hydrogen from water. In the lab, the process uses electricity to hit water from a reservoir tank. A bright flash of light occurs each time the electricity strikes. Hydrogen is extracted via plasmatic induction, a form of electrolysis.
Hunt explained last November that the hydrogen gas can be ported into car and truck engines, providing fuel at virtually no cost.<
>he came up with what he said was a practical way to extract hydrogen from water. In the lab, the process uses electricity to hit water from a reservoir tank. A bright flash of light occurs each time the electricity strikes. Hydrogen is extracted via plasmatic induction, a form of electrolysis.
Hunt explained last November that the hydrogen gas can be ported into car and truck engines, providing fuel at virtually no cost.<
I would agree with Scott, SY, jlsem here. From not being too many years removed from my college chemistry course, I think that it takes on the order of twice the amount of energy to break the molecular bonds in water as what is released when the oxygen and hydrogen molecules combine to produce H2O. I'm not quite sure how this sort of technology can save the planet?! 
Peace,
Dave
Peace,
Dave
dave_gerecke said:I would agree with Scott, SY, jlsem here. From not being too many years removed from my college chemistry course, I think that it takes on the order of twice the amount of energy to break the molecular bonds in water as what is released when the oxygen and hydrogen molecules combine to produce H2O. I'm not quite sure how this sort of technology can save the planet?!
Peace,
Dave
OTOH solar power used for the separation, if only someone could figure out how to store the hydrogen. My batteries top up by 11AM most days and the rest goes to waste.
Hello Mr. Wurcer, I would agree with the idea of using photovoltaics to perform the osmosis to separate the hydrogen and oxygen.
Yes, the storage is an issue, but it really shouldn't be much harder than storing propane. The biggest issue with trying to store hydrogen is that since hydrogen molecules are so small, they tend to pass through most materials. However, I do know that it can be done. Some fine gentlemen in your industry do it regularly. Ask some of the people in your process facilities how they store hydrogen for usage in the fab. It probably won't be useful for portable applications, but it might be useful for stationary power and heat supply. Maybe you could install something at your place that uses hydrogen to heat your home!😎
Peace,
Dave
Yes, the storage is an issue, but it really shouldn't be much harder than storing propane. The biggest issue with trying to store hydrogen is that since hydrogen molecules are so small, they tend to pass through most materials. However, I do know that it can be done. Some fine gentlemen in your industry do it regularly. Ask some of the people in your process facilities how they store hydrogen for usage in the fab. It probably won't be useful for portable applications, but it might be useful for stationary power and heat supply. Maybe you could install something at your place that uses hydrogen to heat your home!😎
Peace,
Dave
Once again, regarding my signature.. David Hudson stated that the monatomic gold was tied to being recognized as an oxide of iron in almost every case of analysis (99.999% of the people, or more). Unless....one knew what was going on and understood the process and issues in their entirety.
According to Hudson...What had to be done, was repeated reduction for -complete- removal of the residual iron..and then the monatomic gold, which was superconductive at room temperatures...would be exposed.
"It appears to us that the new iron-based superconductors disclose a new physics, contain new mysteries and may start us along an uncharted pathway to room temperature superconductivity," said Chien, who teamed up on the research with Tingyong Chen and Zlatko Tesanovic, both of Johns Hopkins, and X.H. Chen and R.H. Liu of the Hefei National Laboratory for Physical Science at Microscale and Department of Physics, University of Science and Technology of China in Anhui, China."
http://www.physorg.com/news131813340.html
According to Hudson...What had to be done, was repeated reduction for -complete- removal of the residual iron..and then the monatomic gold, which was superconductive at room temperatures...would be exposed.
"It appears to us that the new iron-based superconductors disclose a new physics, contain new mysteries and may start us along an uncharted pathway to room temperature superconductivity," said Chien, who teamed up on the research with Tingyong Chen and Zlatko Tesanovic, both of Johns Hopkins, and X.H. Chen and R.H. Liu of the Hefei National Laboratory for Physical Science at Microscale and Department of Physics, University of Science and Technology of China in Anhui, China."
http://www.physorg.com/news131813340.html
Water powered Car (Stan Meyer's 'water car' once again). Engadget report and a Reuters news report, with video:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/
And, most importantly!!! Engadget knows who Stan meyers IS and WAS, before he was killed. What he did, and the people he fought.
Note the photo of the car.
Note the silhouette in the window. It is not on the water car original site.
It is 'Michael Meyers'..from the 'Halloween' series.
The hint is obvious.
Ravi in India finally publicly solved the riddle of the water resonance issues..and found Stan's trick, which was nearly lost. And it call came form that 15 minute news report, from back when Stan was still alive, combined with the patent itself, which was missing the crucial information.
That was a year ago. And now the purely water powered cars are starting to show up.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/
And, most importantly!!! Engadget knows who Stan meyers IS and WAS, before he was killed. What he did, and the people he fought.
Note the photo of the car.
Note the silhouette in the window. It is not on the water car original site.
It is 'Michael Meyers'..from the 'Halloween' series.
The hint is obvious.
Ravi in India finally publicly solved the riddle of the water resonance issues..and found Stan's trick, which was nearly lost. And it call came form that 15 minute news report, from back when Stan was still alive, combined with the patent itself, which was missing the crucial information.
That was a year ago. And now the purely water powered cars are starting to show up.
"...Eighty per cent of investigative reporters have lost their jobs over the past 15 years..."
http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=72400
http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=72400
We sometimes have to completely re-vamp our understandings of reality.
This is the argument that NEARLY erupted in the middle of John Curl's Blowtorch thread, but I gave myself a cease and desist order.
I am continuing it here.
For those who are smart enough to get an education, but dumb enough to think they know the limits of reality, take a gander at the following. Likely to be shown as an entire new class of life... found deep in the oceans. It looks like it is gong to be the most diverse..and outweigh all known lifeforms on any and all landmass, re sheer quantity of mass:
"If alive, the find bears on the pervasiveness of terrestrial life, new forms of which are being discovered so deep in such abundance that some scientists suspect the planet has a hidden biosphere of microbes extending down miles whose total mass may exceed that of all surface life."
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/011800sci-space-nanobes.html
This is the argument that NEARLY erupted in the middle of John Curl's Blowtorch thread, but I gave myself a cease and desist order.
I am continuing it here.
For those who are smart enough to get an education, but dumb enough to think they know the limits of reality, take a gander at the following. Likely to be shown as an entire new class of life... found deep in the oceans. It looks like it is gong to be the most diverse..and outweigh all known lifeforms on any and all landmass, re sheer quantity of mass:
"If alive, the find bears on the pervasiveness of terrestrial life, new forms of which are being discovered so deep in such abundance that some scientists suspect the planet has a hidden biosphere of microbes extending down miles whose total mass may exceed that of all surface life."
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/011800sci-space-nanobes.html
Once again..regarding my signature, Organic insulators turned into metallic conductors:
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/2501...sulating-materials-into-metal-like-conductors
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/2501...sulating-materials-into-metal-like-conductors
Whoa! Amazing!!!
TTF/TCNQ stuff has been well-known and well-studied for about 40 years or so. Turning organic insulating polymers conductive has been known for at least that long, and my former boss got a Nobel some years back for his work doing just that.
TTF/TCNQ stuff has been well-known and well-studied for about 40 years or so. Turning organic insulating polymers conductive has been known for at least that long, and my former boss got a Nobel some years back for his work doing just that.
KBK said:
I wonder why these folks go "all the way" and claim over unity right up front? As well as 50mph on a 400W motor (if I read it right).
SY said:
Yeah...I'm sure that's true. Stuff gets recycled.
Like all the modern nano particle and similar sciences surrounding superconductors. The basics of that was done over 6000 years ago.
Seems like 'hydrogen separation' is being done by a new group or reports on a new group appear...every day. This guy says 20k units in use over the past 2 years alone.
http://www.azfamily.com/news/homepa..._local_news_062408_water-to-gas.36b68e7c.html
I sent that guy $700 for the gadget, only my secretary accidently made the cashier's check for $7000. He is supposed to send me the device as well as $6300 in change via a Western Union cash transfer. I suspect the device is a rip-off, however.
John
The principle is known, but the application looks a bit more complicated than shown (to say the least) one needs to subtract the additional load from the alternator also. As usual their site has plenty to amuse.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/11/hydrogenenhance.html
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/11/hydrogenenhance.html
Why Brown's Gas works:
Recent X-ray Spectroscopy studies have revealed that modern theories of the structure of liquid water are incorrect.
There is a second, weaker bond......
http://www.physorg.com/news134058290.html
Are you guys starting to get this yet? 🙂
Recent X-ray Spectroscopy studies have revealed that modern theories of the structure of liquid water are incorrect.
There is a second, weaker bond......
http://www.physorg.com/news134058290.html
Are you guys starting to get this yet? 🙂
Once Again, regarding my signature:
http://www.physorg.com/news134129791.html
"Super atoms turn the periodic table upside down...
Schmidt-Ott hopes to find atom clusters with new unique magnetic, optical or electrical properties, which would also be stable enough to create crystals or other solid forms. Potential applications include catalysts in fuel and extra-conductive crystals."
Gee. Exactly what David Radius Hudson said he discovered about all that ancient work while conducting his own experiments on 'The White Powder of Gold', or the 'Philosopher's Stone'.
Duh.
Ignorance is Bliss, I guess.
http://www.physorg.com/news134129791.html
"Super atoms turn the periodic table upside down...
Schmidt-Ott hopes to find atom clusters with new unique magnetic, optical or electrical properties, which would also be stable enough to create crystals or other solid forms. Potential applications include catalysts in fuel and extra-conductive crystals."
Gee. Exactly what David Radius Hudson said he discovered about all that ancient work while conducting his own experiments on 'The White Powder of Gold', or the 'Philosopher's Stone'.
Duh.
Ignorance is Bliss, I guess.
You mean a third bond. First, there's the O-H bond covalent energy, which is FAR and away the biggest and the thing that makes electrolytic hydrogen so expensive. A few orders of magnitude down is the intermolecular hydrogen bonding. Then a few more orders of magnitude down is this stuff, assuming it holds up.
Not much to hang your hat on, KBK.
edit: my favorite quote from the link in KBK's sig:
Your big problem, SY, is via your 'education', your ignorance has seemingly come to know no bounds. 'Tis a sad thing, indeed. 🙂 You talk a big talk, but you refuse to walk any walks. No miles in the other shoes concerning these matters - this alone relegates your statements and opinions to a dustbin.