Hi Glen,
This the one you're talking about?
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-l...ers/cello-stradivari-legend-loudspeakers.html
I like big systems, so I was interested in your thread.
Pete B.
This the one you're talking about?
http://www.avrev.com/home-theater-l...ers/cello-stradivari-legend-loudspeakers.html
I like big systems, so I was interested in your thread.
Pete B.
Glen,
Be certain that I (and I'm sure others) wish you well.
And to be sure, I am green with envy knowing that I won't be there when the full system is done to hear you crank it up.
I think, and I hope you think, that despite conflict in the thread, you were able to use it to progress to the point you are at now.
Most certainly, when finished, that will be one sweet system.
Steve/bluewizard
Be certain that I (and I'm sure others) wish you well.
And to be sure, I am green with envy knowing that I won't be there when the full system is done to hear you crank it up.
I think, and I hope you think, that despite conflict in the thread, you were able to use it to progress to the point you are at now.
Most certainly, when finished, that will be one sweet system.
Steve/bluewizard
Hi Pete.
No, this one:
http://www.stereophile.com/audaciousaudio/105sonus/
(still reasonably big 🙂 )
Cheers,
Glen
No, this one:
http://www.stereophile.com/audaciousaudio/105sonus/
(still reasonably big 🙂 )
Cheers,
Glen
I thought it was a really good thread, not a failure at all.
I once thought it time to close another thread, about the compressibility of water, I was wrong about that. Now I wonder about this more recent one...
The system, the amplifier and its companion speakers, is just an argument waiting for a place to happen, so I guess it meets its design goals in that sense. It's an act of provocation, and Glen is looking for an argument.
It bears as much relation to a real-world music system as a jet-powered land speed record holder does to a transport system. I felt it was a wasteful way to deploy resources, and I guess a few other folks thought the same way.
There's a lot of it about though... just throwing money and resources into a system to try and set some new standard for extreme. Big spender. Pour a bit more carbon into the atmosphere, why don't you?
All part of the same global mindset responsible for the current chaos in the financial markets, and unlikely to be admired by engineers.
w
I once thought it time to close another thread, about the compressibility of water, I was wrong about that. Now I wonder about this more recent one...
The system, the amplifier and its companion speakers, is just an argument waiting for a place to happen, so I guess it meets its design goals in that sense. It's an act of provocation, and Glen is looking for an argument.
It bears as much relation to a real-world music system as a jet-powered land speed record holder does to a transport system. I felt it was a wasteful way to deploy resources, and I guess a few other folks thought the same way.
There's a lot of it about though... just throwing money and resources into a system to try and set some new standard for extreme. Big spender. Pour a bit more carbon into the atmosphere, why don't you?
All part of the same global mindset responsible for the current chaos in the financial markets, and unlikely to be admired by engineers.
w
ShinOBIWAN said:
You certainly make assumptions; I don't champion for anyone, indeed, I've disagreed with Glen on several occasions. I liked the subject of the thread, and dislike it when certain people join in simply to confront in a way that is obviously intended to boost their ego and put down others. This attitude is what often ruins good threads as I see it.
My opening statement here was clear, you misinterpreted it, you ought to try asking rather than making assumptions.
People asking for advice ought to be able to select those who's design style fits their own, and omit those who's personal style is offensive. This is why I brought up the subject.
Pete B.
PB2 said:
Hi Pete,
When I start a new thread, I expect there will be some that will contribute information that is not accurate or ideas that do not fit with my own plans. There is often a short remark or two when the contributor feels their advice is being discounted or snubbed. This can lead to an unhealthy (but sometimes entertaining) back and forth.
This appears to be the usual course of things around here, where egos are put before manners, and should be dealt with by other means than telling the member to shut up and kicking him out of the thread.
Just my opinion. 🙂
The member in question started a new thread based roughly upon the suggestions we gave him, suggestions which he previously crudely rejected...so good luck to him
Maybe there was too much effort done in telling him what he should or should not do
My approach is that if a member rejects solid advice more than once, its better to stay clear of it, and let the man do what he is determined to do
Maybe sometimes we push a little too hard to convince others about the brilliance of our ideas...and in this case the stupidness of his, which ofcourse is very unfortunate, but unavoidable
At times theres like a competition going on, to get the best ideas, and sometimes we simply try too hard
Sometimes it may be good fore develloping sound projects, other times it seems not to
If a member choose to close his thread, so be it, thats his choice...ofcourse I wont waste any more energy on other threads started by such a member
Maybe there was too much effort done in telling him what he should or should not do
My approach is that if a member rejects solid advice more than once, its better to stay clear of it, and let the man do what he is determined to do
Maybe sometimes we push a little too hard to convince others about the brilliance of our ideas...and in this case the stupidness of his, which ofcourse is very unfortunate, but unavoidable
At times theres like a competition going on, to get the best ideas, and sometimes we simply try too hard
Sometimes it may be good fore develloping sound projects, other times it seems not to
If a member choose to close his thread, so be it, thats his choice...ofcourse I wont waste any more energy on other threads started by such a member
PB2 said:
One last quick post:
Thanks!
But are you sure it is workable and as just remarked, it isn't a "stupid" idea?
Recall how in my opening post I made perfectly plain that I was putting forward some outre ideas just to get an idea on what was remotely feasible and what wasn’t? – which was mostly followed by posts of the above tone and a lot of presumptuous bitching about the amplifier project (which I tried to avoid due to previous experience).
All this is still going on after 20+ pages or so and still I’m being bagged for “complaining” and departing!
LOL!
Now what real purpose is this thread currently serving?
Does it have to remain open?
Cheers,
Glen
G.Kleinschmidt said:
Well Glen, your thread did get into difficulties because of your main goal to design a speaker that would kill just about any other amp
a goal that didnt make sense to any of us, a goal that would disregard many of the best drivers
Its good to hear that you think different now, so why you couldnt do that in the now closed thread I dont know
But its still hard to support a "firsttimer" in designing a 4-way
🙂
Glen,
It depends. Do you have listened the Stradivari?
I have, and I assicure you they imaging bad, a lot worse than a Minima
for example.
this is my subjective opinion.
Cheers,
Paolo
It depends. Do you have listened the Stradivari?
I have, and I assicure you they imaging bad, a lot worse than a Minima
for example.
this is my subjective opinion.
Cheers,
Paolo
G.Kleinschmidt said:
I always find it amusing when people think they can guess or make assumptions about another person's abilities. It is psychologically unhealthy when a person thinks they know something that they have no factual basis for. Here again they're saying someone inexperienced cannot build a 4-way. I did it in my second year of college.
They must not realize how foolish they look using language such as stupid. They are the ones who do not know if you have the ability or not and they use offensive language when we do not agree. It is called projection when they know they could never design a 4-way and assume that you or anyone else cannot either. Perhaps we are not as ignorant as they are, LOL!
Anyway, I find that you just have to ignore many people on the net, but unfortunately they will often persist in a thread until they turn it into a flame war. This is the issue that I am trying to fix by way of the subject of this thread.
Pete B.
G.Kleinschmidt said:
It is only "stupid" in the minds of people who told you vented was bad, 12" woofers were too large, etc.
It cannot possibly be good in the minds of rigid closed minded thinkers. The issue is not this speaker you've chosen as an example. As they say, consider the source of the "stupid" comment.
Pete B.
Let me give an example of another thread that was closed unfortunately and in the process we lost insight from the designer for Guru speakers, Ingvar Oehman:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116738&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=14
I happen to know the importer for Guru speakers so let me just say that up front. No this is not paid promotion. But people in that thread making negative comments about a person and product that they know little about have done a disservice to this forum. People might notice that Ingvar was politely answering questions.
I had the QM10s in my home for about a month FWIW.
It is usually just a few people who are so offense and persistent that they cause a thread to be shut down. Ingvar mentions one person in particular in this post:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1427300#post1427300
I've not read that entire thread, however I believe that Ingvar has an understanding of HRTF's that factors into the design of his speakers. I would have liked to have heard more about that.
Pete B.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116738&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=14
I happen to know the importer for Guru speakers so let me just say that up front. No this is not paid promotion. But people in that thread making negative comments about a person and product that they know little about have done a disservice to this forum. People might notice that Ingvar was politely answering questions.
I had the QM10s in my home for about a month FWIW.
It is usually just a few people who are so offense and persistent that they cause a thread to be shut down. Ingvar mentions one person in particular in this post:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1427300#post1427300
I've not read that entire thread, however I believe that Ingvar has an understanding of HRTF's that factors into the design of his speakers. I would have liked to have heard more about that.
Pete B.
Hi,
The age old problem, respect for others without the ability to be able to ignore some comments seen as a attack.
Even in a business meeting, you have to accept that it is very probable that there are other points of view. Any group of people will have a mix of viewpoints. An overactive ego will tend to bury the issues in a haze of bickering.
Think of the mix of members here. Is there any correlation between big egos and threads full of noise? I think there is. These members bring this sort of action upon themselves. These will also be the same people who are left behind in industry for the simple fact that they treat other people poorly.
I don't think this will ever change. There will be some people who always think they are hard done by, and this is due to the way they treat other people around them. The basic human animal is not about to change here. It is the few that need to have a look at themselves. This is difficult to do, but will be helpful if an honest attempt is made with an open mind.
Lastly, concerning the statement that the thread starter should be able to close the thread. No. That is not reasonable. Each and every thread is a construct of all contributions from all posters. The thread belongs to the community, not the thread starter. This notion of ownership is best shown by the requests we have received when some members leave demanding that they want all "their" threads and "their" posts removed. Again, every thread is "owned" by all our members.
These statements are not aimed at any one person, but rather a small group of the total population. Some of these members are no longer active posters obviously. Overall, I am not sorry to see them gone.
My two cents, Chris
The age old problem, respect for others without the ability to be able to ignore some comments seen as a attack.
Even in a business meeting, you have to accept that it is very probable that there are other points of view. Any group of people will have a mix of viewpoints. An overactive ego will tend to bury the issues in a haze of bickering.
Think of the mix of members here. Is there any correlation between big egos and threads full of noise? I think there is. These members bring this sort of action upon themselves. These will also be the same people who are left behind in industry for the simple fact that they treat other people poorly.
I don't think this will ever change. There will be some people who always think they are hard done by, and this is due to the way they treat other people around them. The basic human animal is not about to change here. It is the few that need to have a look at themselves. This is difficult to do, but will be helpful if an honest attempt is made with an open mind.
Lastly, concerning the statement that the thread starter should be able to close the thread. No. That is not reasonable. Each and every thread is a construct of all contributions from all posters. The thread belongs to the community, not the thread starter. This notion of ownership is best shown by the requests we have received when some members leave demanding that they want all "their" threads and "their" posts removed. Again, every thread is "owned" by all our members.
These statements are not aimed at any one person, but rather a small group of the total population. Some of these members are no longer active posters obviously. Overall, I am not sorry to see them gone.
My two cents, Chris
Hi Chris,
I would agree that it is only similar to a business meeting because in such a meeting everyone is (usually) known and we are usually offered some introduction to know a bit about their background. Clearly, the problem of flame wars is mainly an internet issue and not generally disputed.
My view is not about owning the thread. Let's take the subject thread as an example, where a person asks for expert advice. In real life we might interview experts (usually paid for), doctors for example and if we do not like their perspective, perhaps they come across as a quack, we do not have to use their services. Similarly, there will be people's advice that we just don't want, especially if it is shoved in a person's face and includes a veiled (or not) insult; why not let them say thanks, but no thanks.
I agree that there are certain thread subjects that do not fit my view, but if we can fix some and avoid flame wars then it is good IMO.
Pete B.
I would agree that it is only similar to a business meeting because in such a meeting everyone is (usually) known and we are usually offered some introduction to know a bit about their background. Clearly, the problem of flame wars is mainly an internet issue and not generally disputed.
My view is not about owning the thread. Let's take the subject thread as an example, where a person asks for expert advice. In real life we might interview experts (usually paid for), doctors for example and if we do not like their perspective, perhaps they come across as a quack, we do not have to use their services. Similarly, there will be people's advice that we just don't want, especially if it is shoved in a person's face and includes a veiled (or not) insult; why not let them say thanks, but no thanks.
I agree that there are certain thread subjects that do not fit my view, but if we can fix some and avoid flame wars then it is good IMO.
Pete B.
MJL21193 said:
Hi John,
I basically agree with you for normal, reasonable disagreements, however I'm referring to situations that escalate and cause a thread to be closed.
Pete B.
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