There is nothing without conciousness, existence must be observed

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edbarx said:
Certainly, religions are not objective ,as what they propose to believe, cannot be verified. In fact, they speak about 'faith'.
Faith simply means believing something on the basis of evidence which falls short of proof. Believing that science has all the answers to all questions which matter is itself an act of faith. Even the axioms of mathematics involve some degree of faith.
 
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I believe that physical reality does not require consciousness. Things are real whether anyone knows it or not.

I believe that consciousness does not require physical reality, although most of our personal experience ties these together so it is easy to see why someone might insist on them being inseparable.
I can understand a monotheist believing consciousness not requiring physical reality but how do you explain the opposite?
 
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Some like the holes to be fullfill indeed without having consciousness. Be it beer, music or anything else !



lol, that's you the cat and the beer is the poison...And are you sure it is a fridge door when you open the door !



What if all the cigarets smoked till they exist polluted more than Tchernobyl ? Should cowboys wear nuclear protection clothes ? If yes, what about their horses ?
 
I'll have some of whatever you are smoking!

Some like the holes to be fullfill indeed without having consciousness. Be it beer, music or anything else !



lol, that's you the cat and the beer is the poison...And are you sure it is a fridge door when you open the door !



What if all the cigarets smoked till they exist polluted more than Tchernobyl ? Should cowboys wear nuclear protection clothes ? If yes, what about their horses ?
 
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You know what people are like? They seek answers to all kinds of questions, and when you provide those, they tell you that you are an idiot and nail you to a tree.


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again this is certainly due to how we process + group consciousness that works fine on it. If you have a "weaker" consciousness than it naturally is, then some people let you believe all sort of things : politics, religion, superstitions, aliens already there, strings theory hifi should cost one billion and so on!

Questionning with us being more powerfull than answering doesn't mean it doesn't call an answer, be it stupid... we are both lazy and anxious with that mechanism! psychological factor as wrote C. Darwin member.

collective consciousness may be more powerfull than individual and that's how you fall in a guru sect or put butter in your coffe (answer must be as simple as the question, lol!), projecting human characters on so called divinities as if what exist would turn around our little species ! Some imho understood it and all those believes are certainly made by smarter people wanting controlling the others for different purpose : working less, having monney, advantages, ego, easy sex, power, ego and so on ! Well why not all is about cursor !

It's certainly due to our perception because the evolution around a very two dimensions environment for our sense (all is answering to the principle of causality : fire burn, water wets = conclusion by experience) which needs a substrate : it's binary, dual, like questionning and answering !

Philosophers from antic times, then layers working on that idea, scientists later with more objective rules then quantum and relativity finders proved it was a trap.

Collective consciousness by heritage (i.e. writting the knowledge in marble not to re invent the wheel) is why we are a little more efficient... but we stay on the same scale than other species more or less. That said it doesn't mean than answering faculty being superior to our hability to answer, means than we ask the good questions ! But again iterative process and knowledge that survive from generations push us towards a collective consciousness which has not to reinvent the wheel (whatever the answers are accurate or not, they seems to progress anyway).

So consciousness exists because the language...maybe, imho and of course YMMV.:D (as far we can talk about it without being b...urned ! :D). Then if you ask about consciousness and it stop you to sleep then take a xanax or whatever is smokable or drinkable, or found a sect and take holydays on the shoulders of naives !
 
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