Here is a thread open for everyone:
if another thread goes off-topic, a bit out of control or emotional or you just need a place to let go some steam... Use that thread. The Sandbox.
Worked well in other forums.
Just remember that: we're just talking audio. Nothing is really serious, no matter how passionate we are. 😉
Enjoy.
if another thread goes off-topic, a bit out of control or emotional or you just need a place to let go some steam... Use that thread. The Sandbox.
Worked well in other forums.
Just remember that: we're just talking audio. Nothing is really serious, no matter how passionate we are. 😉
Enjoy.
As promised, my reply to 5th element (and Bob)
So the storm-in-the-glass-of-water started from here:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Richards View Post
Zaph says the Fountek brand ribbons measure very good, and are about $50 - $100 each, with built in transformers that allegedly show the amp a resistive load. If you use a midrange driver such as the Peerless/Tympany TG9FD or TC9FD and cross them over to a Fountek 1.5 inch ribbon at 7-8kHZ, you should have a very competitive system. I doubt if the $1000 Raal sounds audibly better. I have heard both, but in different systems and rooms.
which i replied:
No offense but i'm sure wouldn't compare a TG9FD+Fountek kit with a Voxativ+Raal kit... Not the same league at all.
Unless you find Olive Garden food to taste the same as Joël Robuchon's...
Now: i heard and tested all TG9, Fountek 50-100 bucks, Voxativ and Raal's... Looks like i'm well positionned to express my opinion. And it also seem i'm the only one, between the three of us to be in that position... (And i'm not saying you're not welcome to express yours, of course)
And my opinion is: They're not in the same league at all. Or the alternate version: ''They do not belong in the world's best club'', at least from where i'm standing. That doesn't mean they're bad, it doesn't mean it's a bad choice to use them... It just mean what i said.
That's it. Opinion expressed. No offense to Bob (as clearly written) and no offense to Olive garden's customers.
Everything else is 5th element's noise based on misunderstanding.
So the storm-in-the-glass-of-water started from here:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Richards View Post
Zaph says the Fountek brand ribbons measure very good, and are about $50 - $100 each, with built in transformers that allegedly show the amp a resistive load. If you use a midrange driver such as the Peerless/Tympany TG9FD or TC9FD and cross them over to a Fountek 1.5 inch ribbon at 7-8kHZ, you should have a very competitive system. I doubt if the $1000 Raal sounds audibly better. I have heard both, but in different systems and rooms.
which i replied:
No offense but i'm sure wouldn't compare a TG9FD+Fountek kit with a Voxativ+Raal kit... Not the same league at all.
Unless you find Olive Garden food to taste the same as Joël Robuchon's...
Now: i heard and tested all TG9, Fountek 50-100 bucks, Voxativ and Raal's... Looks like i'm well positionned to express my opinion. And it also seem i'm the only one, between the three of us to be in that position... (And i'm not saying you're not welcome to express yours, of course)
And my opinion is: They're not in the same league at all. Or the alternate version: ''They do not belong in the world's best club'', at least from where i'm standing. That doesn't mean they're bad, it doesn't mean it's a bad choice to use them... It just mean what i said.
That's it. Opinion expressed. No offense to Bob (as clearly written) and no offense to Olive garden's customers.
Everything else is 5th element's noise based on misunderstanding.
While i'm at it, i'd like to clear something else. I might have made a faux pas (pardon my french) and i don't want to leave people under the impression that i think Joël Robuchon is the best Chef in the world. He certainly deserve a lot of respect, but when i made the analogy i didn't think that topic would escalate that much. Therefore, i'd like to apologies to Voxativ and Raal manufacturers for making a sloppy comparison with Joël Robuchon.
Hey sreten. An experienced mind knows when someone is wasting their time. A curious youngster may not see it this way. Helping them over a hump won't stop there from being another hump down the road, but at least they can find out for themselves they're wasting their time and get on with the learning. If it were simpler than this then maybe we wouldn't need the forum?
This thread idea is mainly to avoid pollution in the other thread(s).
Agreed; it's not a real pollution-stopping device, so let's call it the Volkswagen Sandbox. 😛
Agreed; it's not a real pollution-stopping device, so let's call it the Volkswagen Sandbox. 😛
It's pointless trying to argue with you. Not in the same league is something completely different from gets you 95%+ of the way there which is true for all aspects of audio with its hugely diminishing returns. This is most true for a lot of the boutique products where a lot of the time you're actually paying for worse performance.
Bob was simply trying to pose the question I wonder how close the tc/tg9 + fountek would get you. You didn't even want to discuss it. This is poor sportsmanship.
Ignoring that though your brazen defiance towards scientific rigour is where my main issues are. You cannot proclaim world's best of anything, with any degree of credibility, if it is all based on your simple subjective point of view. Peoples opinions and quality of hearing (age and SPL based deterioration plus tinnitus and hyperacusis etc) differ, but properly performed measurements tell the whole truth for everyone.
Do you happen to have detailed measurements for the voxative? As I would be most interested in seeing them. As I would for all the drivers you've used. That would be guinely useful.
No I do not have the financial luxury to buy every expensive driver under the sun to test for myself. Nor do pretty much everyone else on DIYaudio. But sometimes money well spent is money well spent. If a RAAL really looked like it was going to give me what I desire then I would have them. They do not though.
Bob was simply trying to pose the question I wonder how close the tc/tg9 + fountek would get you. You didn't even want to discuss it. This is poor sportsmanship.
Ignoring that though your brazen defiance towards scientific rigour is where my main issues are. You cannot proclaim world's best of anything, with any degree of credibility, if it is all based on your simple subjective point of view. Peoples opinions and quality of hearing (age and SPL based deterioration plus tinnitus and hyperacusis etc) differ, but properly performed measurements tell the whole truth for everyone.
Do you happen to have detailed measurements for the voxative? As I would be most interested in seeing them. As I would for all the drivers you've used. That would be guinely useful.
No I do not have the financial luxury to buy every expensive driver under the sun to test for myself. Nor do pretty much everyone else on DIYaudio. But sometimes money well spent is money well spent. If a RAAL really looked like it was going to give me what I desire then I would have them. They do not though.
well after reading this off the topic sandbox. I Will have to say? Everyone should respect ones option and everyone has their own point of views. One thing I've learned in life. You can't dictate or tell anyone what to say or do. I enjoy everyone here and its sad that sometimes people have misreads or misunderstandings that could have been fixed. Again I enjoy everyone's helpful insights in the DIY audio forum. We are all on the same team. Peace. Jm
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