from previous post #54; we are witnessing a wish-list which may never materialise and all becoming premptive windup flannel. If the company is serious in re-making NOS, someone better buckle-up production so we can all see for ourselves. Keeping to one-off besoke MI and HiFi apps isn't telling the whole story.
I ask myself the question: Could I influence my peevish bank manager to borrow dosh for revamping old glass ideas for a sound return ? Now given the credit crisis we are all going through the thought of that interest repayment rate requires some mighty convincing.
O.MO.
richy
I ask myself the question: Could I influence my peevish bank manager to borrow dosh for revamping old glass ideas for a sound return ? Now given the credit crisis we are all going through the thought of that interest repayment rate requires some mighty convincing.
O.MO.
richy
Wow,
I am really shocked by the level of progress-fearing catty backtalk on this forum sometimes. Luddites the lot of you!!!
Here we have some folks who are eager to try and push forward vacuum tube design for the first time in decades - possibly the only real innovation in this wonderful technology in a long time and perhaps the last to ever invest in trying for all time to come...
And all you guys can do is bash their marketing attempts. NO, these are not Blackburn Mullard reissues. LOOK AT THE TUBES - THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING ELSE MADE. Are they playing off the name for the sake of Marketing? Yeah, sure why not? Is that so evil? Is the new Bugatti Veyron like an old Bugatti? No. Does it suck because it is really a Volkswagen? NO!
I have to agree these guys have a tough row to plough, I hope they can make it, and the delays have been interminable. Can't argue that. But if they fail, none of y'all will have helped. Distortion characteristics and such technical data would be nice but in the meantime do any of you know how to better describe the character of sound difference between tubes? Or how many of you guys think that there ARE NO DIFFERENCES... and then go spend $$$ on eBay for your precious Bugle Boys and, yes, Mullards...
I have no affiliation with TechTube but I for one can't wait to try them. Don't cry to me when there are finally no new production vacuum tubes ever made again - it will be a sad day, and you can all go and spend even more for your NOS tubes then. Enjoy the future you will have helped create.
I am really shocked by the level of progress-fearing catty backtalk on this forum sometimes. Luddites the lot of you!!!
Here we have some folks who are eager to try and push forward vacuum tube design for the first time in decades - possibly the only real innovation in this wonderful technology in a long time and perhaps the last to ever invest in trying for all time to come...
And all you guys can do is bash their marketing attempts. NO, these are not Blackburn Mullard reissues. LOOK AT THE TUBES - THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING ELSE MADE. Are they playing off the name for the sake of Marketing? Yeah, sure why not? Is that so evil? Is the new Bugatti Veyron like an old Bugatti? No. Does it suck because it is really a Volkswagen? NO!
I have to agree these guys have a tough row to plough, I hope they can make it, and the delays have been interminable. Can't argue that. But if they fail, none of y'all will have helped. Distortion characteristics and such technical data would be nice but in the meantime do any of you know how to better describe the character of sound difference between tubes? Or how many of you guys think that there ARE NO DIFFERENCES... and then go spend $$$ on eBay for your precious Bugle Boys and, yes, Mullards...
I have no affiliation with TechTube but I for one can't wait to try them. Don't cry to me when there are finally no new production vacuum tubes ever made again - it will be a sad day, and you can all go and spend even more for your NOS tubes then. Enjoy the future you will have helped create.
I'm missing the "innovation" part. They're trading off a name from the past to create a mystique about some high price tubes made from bits and pieces designed for other applications. The engineering backup does not even vaguely match either the hype or the price, and it would appear that their approach has a fatal flaw for hifi use. Whoops.
SY,
What's the fatal flaw for hi-fi use? Not sure I see it.
Innovation? I at least see a tube that is constructed 100% differently from any other, with tighter tolerances and inter-electrode capacitance that is VERY significantly lower. Did they grab parts out of a CRT bin? I dunno. Are their engineers competent, are they doing real engineering? I would think so but I can't guarantee it.
The Bugatti Veyron uses rubber tires, an internal combustion engine, steel and aluminum parts. But obviously, it is "trading off a name from the past to create a mystique about some high price <automobile> made from bits and pieces designed for other applications. The engineering backup does not even vaguely match either the hype or the price." Just because you can't (or won't ) afford something doesn't mean it won't blow your underpants off...
It is not a car for everyone, though. Especially not Luddites.
It's a valid argument because the TechTube is not a Sovtek made with Titanium plates and a platinum grid with a Mullard silkscreen on it. Just like the Veyron is not a Jetta made from exotic materials.
And some of you are commenting without ever having looked at these. "If the company is serious in re-making NOS"... etc. etc.
THEY ARE NOT REISSUES OF ANYTHING!!! Get it right, it's a new product.
What's the fatal flaw for hi-fi use? Not sure I see it.
Innovation? I at least see a tube that is constructed 100% differently from any other, with tighter tolerances and inter-electrode capacitance that is VERY significantly lower. Did they grab parts out of a CRT bin? I dunno. Are their engineers competent, are they doing real engineering? I would think so but I can't guarantee it.
The Bugatti Veyron uses rubber tires, an internal combustion engine, steel and aluminum parts. But obviously, it is "trading off a name from the past to create a mystique about some high price <automobile> made from bits and pieces designed for other applications. The engineering backup does not even vaguely match either the hype or the price." Just because you can't (or won't ) afford something doesn't mean it won't blow your underpants off...
It is not a car for everyone, though. Especially not Luddites.
It's a valid argument because the TechTube is not a Sovtek made with Titanium plates and a platinum grid with a Mullard silkscreen on it. Just like the Veyron is not a Jetta made from exotic materials.
And some of you are commenting without ever having looked at these. "If the company is serious in re-making NOS"... etc. etc.
THEY ARE NOT REISSUES OF ANYTHING!!! Get it right, it's a new product.
This thread is poorly titled. Nothing is "returning" from Blackburn other than some sort of triodes. If you look through all of their website they make that very clear. It's something completely new and for that I am interested to see what happens. That fact that they are aiming at the guitar amp market...i.e. where the real volume is, is a good sign. It means that it should get some decent exposure and that's where the real feedback will come from.
Let us not sit and expect that if and when these go into production we will all agree that they are the best🙂 We all have our preferences,tastes etc,that guide us to our final choices on tubes.In the best case,these wil have their followers too,as all other tubes had and still do.Also remember how many thousands of times we have heard comments like "detail you had never noticed before...smooooooth....creeeeeemy....oooooopen"...
Enoooooooough😀
Enoooooooough😀
The testamonials which Techtubes use don't hold up to my glasses. look at that spec 30W amp; I notice the thd and noise isn't anything new under the sun and an old Mullard /Radford amp can easily smash that (new) spec to pieces. Bit like all that unconvincing ether behind the cryogenic stuff.
Of course, don't get me wrong: I wish those Hope and Luck for those setting up new prospects in the real business world, (sometime ago I also setup) in finding a niche and being able to pull ideas off, unfortunately current market conditions are so "hellish" and I question whether the founders are serious about producing in expensive GB. So we could be back where the whole story started; rebranding wares as was in the 1950's.
At the moment, patriotism simply doesn't add up. My Tektronix scope was designed in Oregon,US; and put together in China, for a reason. This lark of a shipping trade has been going on for some time and there's no stopping it.
The new issue/edit "Russian" Mullard 12AX7 which I sussed out a year ago (with others) are good sounding lo noise tubes and at the moment I feel no desire to change. Do the math first.
richy
Of course, don't get me wrong: I wish those Hope and Luck for those setting up new prospects in the real business world, (sometime ago I also setup) in finding a niche and being able to pull ideas off, unfortunately current market conditions are so "hellish" and I question whether the founders are serious about producing in expensive GB. So we could be back where the whole story started; rebranding wares as was in the 1950's.
At the moment, patriotism simply doesn't add up. My Tektronix scope was designed in Oregon,US; and put together in China, for a reason. This lark of a shipping trade has been going on for some time and there's no stopping it.
The new issue/edit "Russian" Mullard 12AX7 which I sussed out a year ago (with others) are good sounding lo noise tubes and at the moment I feel no desire to change. Do the math first.
richy
Panicos K said:
Do you know how much to pay to get such comments about my amps? I would like to. 😀
But my point was, in order to consider using them I need some technical details that I need. Instead of them they give me "smooooooth....creeeeeemy....oooooopen" answers... Is it enough? Or should I pay "smooooooth....creeeeeemy....oooooopen" money for samples to figure out for myself what kind of tubes they are, and how well their properties are repeatable?
Wavebourn,I agree.Of course their comments on sound is not enough,as it is not enough to talk about Blackburn herritage and the like.If tubes are and liked for what they are,I won't be surprised if we see another "transistory" super analytical thing with this new......"thing"🙂
The fatal flaw for hifi? High Q microphonics.
The guts are adapted from RF tubes, not "something never seen before."
The guts are adapted from RF tubes, not "something never seen before."
Hi,
Many people get lured in by small amounts of microphony giving a sense of space and harmonics that has nothing to do with the original recorded message.
One could say that by allowing for a small amount of microphony these valves will all be coloured.
Note that this trick isn't new either, some power valves as used in guitar amps are often prefered for their mild degree of microphony.
Then, a guitar amp is part of the instrument producing sound and as such the artist is free to make it sound the way he likes it best.
A hi-fi amp on the other hand should reproduce faithfully what it's being fed, not add to it.
Cheers, 😉
Many people get lured in by small amounts of microphony giving a sense of space and harmonics that has nothing to do with the original recorded message.
One could say that by allowing for a small amount of microphony these valves will all be coloured.
Note that this trick isn't new either, some power valves as used in guitar amps are often prefered for their mild degree of microphony.
Then, a guitar amp is part of the instrument producing sound and as such the artist is free to make it sound the way he likes it best.
A hi-fi amp on the other hand should reproduce faithfully what it's being fed, not add to it.
Cheers, 😉
Hi Frank,good points,but I have always believed that personal taste is in fact the same thing with how we would have recorded a piece of music,if we were the sound/recording engineers.We are not the sound/recording engineers,so we "tune"our systems instead🙂
So referring to microphony; I've always understood frame grid tubes (typ for RF use) are the more sturdy constructed, hence this would imply lower microphony ideal for HiFi audio use. Yes/no ?
The 12BY7, EL83, EF184 are my favourite signal workhorse tubes . Unfortunately as pentodes the noise floor is higher so I use'm as triodes-with near straight curves. If I had the option of a tube redesign, with a screen and one or two other parameters thrown in, this would be the one to be.
richy
The 12BY7, EL83, EF184 are my favourite signal workhorse tubes . Unfortunately as pentodes the noise floor is higher so I use'm as triodes-with near straight curves. If I had the option of a tube redesign, with a screen and one or two other parameters thrown in, this would be the one to be.
richy
Panicos K said:
I don't tune my systems instead. Each my new design of amp/speaker combination sounds more and more real, and more and more fools imagination as if no system present between sound source and listeners.
More and more real to your taste perhaps?If our tastes are different,and I had a system like yours (that you like)and couldn't design or buy anything else,then,I would tune it as close to my taste as possible.In any case,the idea is the same IMO🙂
Hi,
Nothing wrong with Personal-Fidelity.
It may even be High-Fidelity but probably not Absolute-Fidelity.....
Bottomline:
In the quest for Absolute Fidelity quite often the persuer gains fidelity at the expense of musicality.
As said, quite often....😉
It ain't easy and unless you have a solid basis (well recorded mastertapes and then some) to compare to may even easily stray using those as you'd end up with a system that passes mastertape A with great fidelity, it may well not pass mastertape B so well.
Which is probably why some people "tweak" their systems so everything, well, just passes....
That said, I'd rather listen to a system that perveys the music in a musically pleasing way than one that's absolutely glorious in it truthfulness to the original but somehow doesn't seem to deliver the musical message.
This happens all too often.
With respect to the valves, as said, they're manufacturering pencils and colours of different depths and intensities to the guitar artists.
Nothing wrong with that but I wish they'd manufacture valves with low distortion and low (as low as possible) microphony and leaves any other artefact an artist may wish for to another industry altogether.
Cheers, 😉
Nothing wrong with Personal-Fidelity.
It may even be High-Fidelity but probably not Absolute-Fidelity.....
Bottomline:
In the quest for Absolute Fidelity quite often the persuer gains fidelity at the expense of musicality.
As said, quite often....😉
It ain't easy and unless you have a solid basis (well recorded mastertapes and then some) to compare to may even easily stray using those as you'd end up with a system that passes mastertape A with great fidelity, it may well not pass mastertape B so well.
Which is probably why some people "tweak" their systems so everything, well, just passes....
That said, I'd rather listen to a system that perveys the music in a musically pleasing way than one that's absolutely glorious in it truthfulness to the original but somehow doesn't seem to deliver the musical message.
This happens all too often.
With respect to the valves, as said, they're manufacturering pencils and colours of different depths and intensities to the guitar artists.
Nothing wrong with that but I wish they'd manufacture valves with low distortion and low (as low as possible) microphony and leaves any other artefact an artist may wish for to another industry altogether.
Cheers, 😉
I don't know about anyone else, but all this "smooooth" and "creamy" talk is making me hungry. Who's up for some ice cream ???? YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!😀
SY said:
I thought they were adapted from CRT guns?
Either way, we've used almost everything before.
Cheers!
Panicos K said:
Excuse me, are you telling I need to see a mental doctor?
What taste? Do you need a taste to tell the difference between your friend saying VS the same friend saying from loudspeakers? Which one is more real? Show me one who thinks that saying from speakers is more real than saying in reality, but please don't show a schizophrenic!
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