Statistical.
Forget measures, forget individual subjective appreciations, forget magazine articles...
The ONLY definitive answer to the question:
''What is the best sounding system or XYZ component''
...would be obtained by conducting a large survey in a blind test environment.
The more participants, the more reliable results would be. Simple as that.
9,598 persons prefered the sound system A
1,285 persons prefered the sound system B
System A wins.
5,154 persons prefered the sound system A
4,789 persons prefered the sound system B
We have a tie.
Every ears are different, every person has different tastes... So the only way the get reliable answers is with statistics.
Of course, the natural outcome of such thing would be a form of competition...
A v.s. B, then the winner against C v.s. D and so forth.
Regional, National, International...
We just need about 10,000 participants each time we're running tests. Piece of cake.
😉
A v.s. B, then the winner against C v.s. D and so forth.
Regional, National, International...
We just need about 10,000 participants each time we're running tests. Piece of cake.
😉
Nope. My ears are right yours are wrong - that's the only statistic of importance to me. What anyone else thinks is irrelevant 😉
Let's make a simulation:
Using the same electronics, room and music samples, a blind comparison test is conducted:
In the right corner: a pair of Sonus Faber Stradivari
On the left corner: a pair of B&W 800 series diamond
OF COURSE, one can argue room, electronic, time spent, etc.. should be this or should be that.. according to these speakers and not those...
Still. Wouldn't the vast majority of people here would be curious to know the results of such survey ?
Using the same electronics, room and music samples, a blind comparison test is conducted:
In the right corner: a pair of Sonus Faber Stradivari
On the left corner: a pair of B&W 800 series diamond
OF COURSE, one can argue room, electronic, time spent, etc.. should be this or should be that.. according to these speakers and not those...
Still. Wouldn't the vast majority of people here would be curious to know the results of such survey ?
oups. Forgot to tell the result of the simulation i ran in my mind:
6,487 persons prefered the Stradivari
4,184 persons prefered the 800's
1 person was disqualified for using Siri during the test
6,487 persons prefered the Stradivari
4,184 persons prefered the 800's
1 person was disqualified for using Siri during the test
*** DISCLAIMER ***
These are not real results.
(just in case this thread gets into Google search pages, ya know..)
These are not real results.
(just in case this thread gets into Google search pages, ya know..)
geezus Jon, I almost broke the internet trying to find that test - could have been a bit more plausible with a smaller claimed sample - but FWIW, based on some brief listening at a local dealer over the past couple of years, I'd probably prefer the Sonus Fabers
that's a sample of 1, so of course it means nothing to anyone but myself, which of course supports zuhl's proclamation
that's a sample of 1, so of course it means nothing to anyone but myself, which of course supports zuhl's proclamation
Me too. The Ellipsas were the 1st speakers at the hifi emporium that grabbed me in the last while. The big B&Ws left me a bit chilly.
dave
haha 😉
don't forget: ten thousand people, one by one, half an hour each.
Should we offer sandwiches or few boxes of Timbits would do it ?
On a more serious note:
The test is not only about having many people, but also having many people listening the very same thing. (controlled environment)
It makes a lot of difference.
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It needs to be blind behind an acoustic transparent cloth veil, the speakers need to be on a turntable with a remote control. Without it being blind, guess which one wins? The more expensive one every time. Blind, not so clear, oftentimes, the less expensive one is at least not summarily dismissed as "not in the same league".
This may be of relevance here:
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: The Dishonesty of Sighted Listening Tests
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: Behind Harman's Testing Lab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=56xPMqZmejU
This may be of relevance here:
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: The Dishonesty of Sighted Listening Tests
Audio Musings by Sean Olive: Behind Harman's Testing Lab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=56xPMqZmejU
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... Not with a group of underdoggers!
then, the cheapeast solution will always win. Even if it's not in the same league. Haha
but, yes, Xrk971... i agree: it MUST be a blind test.
But about the transparent cloth, could i use 400 threads egyptian cotton for the most expensive system tested ? Please ?
But about the transparent cloth, could i use 400 threads egyptian cotton for the most expensive system tested ? Please ?
Yeah, i know. But it's the Elite League's requirement.
''Thou shall not blind thee with peasant cloths'' and such
''Thou shall not blind thee with peasant cloths'' and such
I was waiting for this specific comment. It's one thing to have HUGE N, it's another thing to have a HUGE N *and* good controls. (None of the "studies" done here on diyAudio have either, unfortunately, but I still genuinely appreciate the contributions)
xrk971 mentionned the turntable thing but i got something even better:
3 identical rooms, built for that kind of test.
makes things a little easier and faster
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