ok so the 15 is in IB and the 6.5's are in horns.... no horn is 525% more efficent than IB... and since they said ported 15's....
Although I havent checked the nature of this thread in recent times,replying to last poster-
Basshorns are typically 100db/1watt up to 109db/1watt
while IB are typically 85-90db/1watt sensitive
Theres a difference of and a maximum difference of 24dB and minimum difference of 10dB
,You can work out the percent difference.
Basshorns are typically 100db/1watt up to 109db/1watt
while IB are typically 85-90db/1watt sensitive
Theres a difference of and a maximum difference of 24dB and minimum difference of 10dB
,You can work out the percent difference.
i stand corrected.... but granted he was saying "Big ported SPL box" so we are talking about big cubes and large ammounts of port area.... and we arent even taking into account the resonant frequincy of the drivers....along with other T/S parameters...
isnt it strange, how Mr Gately there, decides to arm his alarm in his truck, while he is sitting in a car, right behind his truck... whats he think, someone is going to run over, jump is his truck, hot wire it, and run them all over? 
mike.e said:
yes Mikey, that is correct, except, those things aren't bass horns... and, the snailshells add a WHOPPING 3dB to the subs output...
I'm not going to argue about the 6.5" boxes but the SS does add more then 3db. I have had this tested on a meter. one tempest in a sealed 2.5 cube box was in the low 130's. With SS I built from orig design I was hitting 144.
DJNUBZ said:
i beleive he ment 3dB over ported... 141 ported with a tempest is easy.... people out there burping low 150's on new TL with single tempest setups....
and now that you mention a tempest...take 2 tempests and put them in somehting like 10cuft ported tuned to like 28Hz....and give them 1500w.... mid-high 130's daily set up easy....maybe even low 140's....and that was a $150 driver.... and i dont know about you but listening to rock with kick drums hitting high 130's is not "the perfect listening level" like said in the vid....
eletret mics, the ones found in your average video camera, are only rated to 120dB.....
beyond that, they just distort..... and like I was saying, you wouldn't be able to hear what the people were saying....
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Resonant Engineering/xxx15.14.wmv
that video there demonstrates this... peoples voices, are just muffles noises.... even when there is no bass, just mids and treble, the mic still distorts... its a 10meg video...
beyond that, they just distort..... and like I was saying, you wouldn't be able to hear what the people were saying....
http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/Resonant Engineering/xxx15.14.wmv
that video there demonstrates this... peoples voices, are just muffles noises.... even when there is no bass, just mids and treble, the mic still distorts... its a 10meg video...
bass mekanik....... anyhoo, if you look at the gately audio webside, they seem to specialise in plexiglass, and fibre glass.. PFF!!! been going it for 13 years he says... doesn't mean he knows how to design a proper box!!!
some guy, got 139dB from a single, 8inch DD sub... in a rather musically tuned box.... I DOUBT that 6.5inch woofers would even do that...
some guy, got 139dB from a single, 8inch DD sub... in a rather musically tuned box.... I DOUBT that 6.5inch woofers would even do that...
I emailed gately audio asking the advantages and disadvantages of plexiglass....
it looks worse to me... and I imagine it sounds worse too... *shrugs*
it looks worse to me... and I imagine it sounds worse too... *shrugs*
plexiglas looks & sounds better then an MDF box.
ROFL..
The enclosure shouldn't add any sound if done correctly.
Their video is nothing special, we used to make outrageous
boxes in the 80's to get bass out of weak woofers and 200w.
Nothing new.
Also, we used small woofers with passive radiators to
get more output, it worked.
Nothing new.
Since then, the market shifted. Better product emerged. Better
woofers, better amps, high powered amps, and the price per
watt for a quality amp dropped from $3 - $4 per watt to $1 per
watt and as low as 25 cents per watt for the low end amps. Even
those 25 to 50 cent per watt amps aren't bad at all.
The point is. If monster woofers are cheap, high powered amplification is cheap, then there is no reason not to choose
a standard sealed or ported box in a vehicle to get high output.
The Gately video is only impressive to those who have not
seen this done before, I find it boring. I was trying a design
to fit sixteen 18" pro woofers in something I called an isobarik
folded horn, in a maxi-van. This was almost 15 years ago so
when someone takes a 6" woofer and gets good bass.. pffft....
ROFL..
The enclosure shouldn't add any sound if done correctly.
Their video is nothing special, we used to make outrageous
boxes in the 80's to get bass out of weak woofers and 200w.
Nothing new.
Also, we used small woofers with passive radiators to
get more output, it worked.
Nothing new.
Since then, the market shifted. Better product emerged. Better
woofers, better amps, high powered amps, and the price per
watt for a quality amp dropped from $3 - $4 per watt to $1 per
watt and as low as 25 cents per watt for the low end amps. Even
those 25 to 50 cent per watt amps aren't bad at all.
The point is. If monster woofers are cheap, high powered amplification is cheap, then there is no reason not to choose
a standard sealed or ported box in a vehicle to get high output.
The Gately video is only impressive to those who have not
seen this done before, I find it boring. I was trying a design
to fit sixteen 18" pro woofers in something I called an isobarik
folded horn, in a maxi-van. This was almost 15 years ago so
when someone takes a 6" woofer and gets good bass.. pffft....
file links?
Anyone else having problems getting the links to work to pm that person? I got the files off of powered4sound but if anyone knows where to get the proper document whether its real or not it would at least be a interesting read. If someone has it they could email or send through msn, ocool_15 at hotmail.com
Anyone else having problems getting the links to work to pm that person? I got the files off of powered4sound but if anyone knows where to get the proper document whether its real or not it would at least be a interesting read. If someone has it they could email or send through msn, ocool_15 at hotmail.com
Re: file links?
wouldn't you prefer a box that was actually designed for your sub?
ocool_15 said:
wouldn't you prefer a box that was actually designed for your sub?
sub box
well of course I can use winISD and BassBox Pro ect but a snail shell is suposed to be a different design, The bogus sheets take your speaker parameters into consideration and I'm sure the real ones do. So if you had the files you would have a box for your sub.
well of course I can use winISD and BassBox Pro ect but a snail shell is suposed to be a different design, The bogus sheets take your speaker parameters into consideration and I'm sure the real ones do. So if you had the files you would have a box for your sub.
Re: sub box
nooo they don't take the subs parameters into consideration at all... lol
its basically a case of guessing dimensions, and entering them into the spreadsheet.... lol
in then comes up with a few numbers, that really mean very little :d
ocool_15 said:
nooo they don't take the subs parameters into consideration at all... lol
its basically a case of guessing dimensions, and entering them into the spreadsheet.... lol
in then comes up with a few numbers, that really mean very little :d
box design
I forgot to mention it before but doesn't it seem sort of odd that the 6.5" videos are a box that looks signifigantly different then there product line of double shots and snail shells? I mean the box is some sort of transmission line with some fill to shorten length/box size but you would think they would build a box that looks/is like there product line no?
Lorne
I forgot to mention it before but doesn't it seem sort of odd that the 6.5" videos are a box that looks signifigantly different then there product line of double shots and snail shells? I mean the box is some sort of transmission line with some fill to shorten length/box size but you would think they would build a box that looks/is like there product line no?
Lorne
the 6.5inch box in the videos is not the same.. its VERY different... apparently it has a diaphram kinda thing in it, but who knows, they refuse to tell anything at all about that box. They won't sell those boxes either... something funny going on there... lol
Pro/Con Plexiglas
Hey guys, came across your post in my daily browsing. Thankyou for all your comments and interest in our boxes. I understand that everyone has there own opinions on the aesthetics of the box and that is your decision. But because of your question(pros/cons) I have decided to add a page to our website addressing this issue. You will be able to find this page on our website after this weekend.
peace,
Byron De La Matre
::😛ROS:::
#1 Better Sound Quality
Plexiglas allows for a much higher resonant frequency which gets higher notes from your sub. It allows for a better range of sound and gives a much louder "In your face" quality you do not find in MDF(wooden) or Fiberglass boxes. Quite often people going for the absolute loudest bass or the "longest sound wave lengths" use MDF for this reason, but we get alot of people intrested in SQL who are more interested in sounding better than louder.
#2 Air Tight/ Water proof
Our boxes are PERFECT for boat and marine audio in addition to car audio because they are completly 100% air-tight and waterproof.
#3 Customizable
You will not be able to find a more customizable box on the web than the plexiglas ones we offer here at Gately. Mirrored panels, LEDS, Colored Bonds/Accents, Custom Grills, Internal Grills, and custom internal designs are just some of the ones that top my mind.
#4 Aesthetics
The first reaction we get with our boxes tends to be: "Oh my God". This is called the "Oh my God" factor. When you are showing off your system, the "Oh my God" factor usually kicks into effect and stuns/dazzles the opposition so that you can fully BRAG about how your box looks and sounds better than theres. No matter how much money they spend on there system, you still have something they don't, and that is the "Oh my God" factor.
:::CONS:::
#1 Cost compared to MDF.
Yes, we also sell MDF enclosures and will NOT deny that plexiglas is cheaper than MDF in any way or form. But you get what you pay for, and can be assured that Plexiglas boxes are of much higher quality than any MDF and offer completly different features.
#2 Scratches
As with any plastic, you must worry about not scratching your box. Plexiglas is an extremely durable and resillant material, and is NOT easiliy scratched. But if your box does happen to become scratched, we give good directions on how to fix this common problem(it is easily fixed) yourself, or you can ship your box back to us to be cleaned, polished, sanded, buffered, and made scratch free for free for the lifetime of your box.
#3 Slides in trunk
This is very easily remedied. What we typically do to prevent the box from sliding is we put little bits of velcro on the bottom of the box, or you can buy a little "no slip" pad that matches your trunk floor color in a local hardware shop. They are used to place under tool boxes and various items.
Hey guys, came across your post in my daily browsing. Thankyou for all your comments and interest in our boxes. I understand that everyone has there own opinions on the aesthetics of the box and that is your decision. But because of your question(pros/cons) I have decided to add a page to our website addressing this issue. You will be able to find this page on our website after this weekend.
peace,
Byron De La Matre
::😛ROS:::
#1 Better Sound Quality
Plexiglas allows for a much higher resonant frequency which gets higher notes from your sub. It allows for a better range of sound and gives a much louder "In your face" quality you do not find in MDF(wooden) or Fiberglass boxes. Quite often people going for the absolute loudest bass or the "longest sound wave lengths" use MDF for this reason, but we get alot of people intrested in SQL who are more interested in sounding better than louder.
#2 Air Tight/ Water proof
Our boxes are PERFECT for boat and marine audio in addition to car audio because they are completly 100% air-tight and waterproof.
#3 Customizable
You will not be able to find a more customizable box on the web than the plexiglas ones we offer here at Gately. Mirrored panels, LEDS, Colored Bonds/Accents, Custom Grills, Internal Grills, and custom internal designs are just some of the ones that top my mind.
#4 Aesthetics
The first reaction we get with our boxes tends to be: "Oh my God". This is called the "Oh my God" factor. When you are showing off your system, the "Oh my God" factor usually kicks into effect and stuns/dazzles the opposition so that you can fully BRAG about how your box looks and sounds better than theres. No matter how much money they spend on there system, you still have something they don't, and that is the "Oh my God" factor.
:::CONS:::
#1 Cost compared to MDF.
Yes, we also sell MDF enclosures and will NOT deny that plexiglas is cheaper than MDF in any way or form. But you get what you pay for, and can be assured that Plexiglas boxes are of much higher quality than any MDF and offer completly different features.
#2 Scratches
As with any plastic, you must worry about not scratching your box. Plexiglas is an extremely durable and resillant material, and is NOT easiliy scratched. But if your box does happen to become scratched, we give good directions on how to fix this common problem(it is easily fixed) yourself, or you can ship your box back to us to be cleaned, polished, sanded, buffered, and made scratch free for free for the lifetime of your box.
#3 Slides in trunk
This is very easily remedied. What we typically do to prevent the box from sliding is we put little bits of velcro on the bottom of the box, or you can buy a little "no slip" pad that matches your trunk floor color in a local hardware shop. They are used to place under tool boxes and various items.
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