Here are Pyles specs. I repeat PYLES specs.
http://www.pyleaudio.com/manuals/plg8-10-12-15.pdf
PLG15. Accurate? No clue. $37. Yep.
http://www.pyleaudio.com/manuals/plg8-10-12-15.pdf
PLG15. Accurate? No clue. $37. Yep.
Ok I put it into WinISD and I get about 112 db @ 40 Hz in a sealed box, assuming that they quote 24mm p-p xmax, hence true one way is most likely 12mm.
At $37 you have 3db/$
Is this a sale price or RRP?
At $37 you have 3db/$
Is this a sale price or RRP?
Another contender IMHO.
http://store.steelsound.com/Detail.bok?no=447
For some reason I can't find their (Madison) website with the actual driver specs. Decent Xmax. Huge Sd.
http://store.steelsound.com/Detail.bok?no=447
For some reason I can't find their (Madison) website with the actual driver specs. Decent Xmax. Huge Sd.
I have looked at thoes Madison drivers before, here is their site: http://www.madisonspeakers.com/.
John
John
well fro price i geuss the one i managed to get for 35$ was ok but i not sure on all the specs cause i left the manual in my mesy room but i had got 1 alpine 10"sub 600watts peak (car sub) 11.7x-max 89db sensitivity and i think like 33l vas
May I add the Madison drivers as a possible candidate. The Executioner X21 21" drivers cost (last time I checked) $175 each. For moving air (a 21" driver with 1.5" peak-to-peak will move quite a bit of air) these are surely up there with the best. Add some cast baskets etc, and they are a good value proposition. 😀
Enjoy,
Deon
Enjoy,
Deon
These are also a great value, but like my Madison link, it appears to be a temporary price/4 driver minimum.
http://yellow.mynethost.com/~bv1263...id=50&osCsid=ed9a405d77403976ed2e447bc16260db
http://yellow.mynethost.com/~bv1263...id=50&osCsid=ed9a405d77403976ed2e447bc16260db
the madison executioner really is a good deal if its $175 for the 21". 100db sensitivity, .75"one way xmax, and 1000watts RMS power capability...
Any online dealers? I guess not... They give any links on their website
Any online dealers? I guess not... They give any links on their website
This isnt a good comparison.
18" RE SX $320 shipped
122dB anecho acording to WinISD with 3000w....SX can easily handle 3000w for burps... but who burps w/ a sealed enclsoure
and SQ isnt all that bad...
if we go ported IA DP 15...3000w for a burp...i know a guy doing 149.7 with 3000w after impeadance rise in an extended cab truck...
18" RE SX $320 shipped
122dB anecho acording to WinISD with 3000w....SX can easily handle 3000w for burps... but who burps w/ a sealed enclsoure
and SQ isnt all that bad...
if we go ported IA DP 15...3000w for a burp...i know a guy doing 149.7 with 3000w after impeadance rise in an extended cab truck...
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BassAwdyO,
Madison drivers are available online here: http://store.steelsound.com/Search.bok?category=Speakers:Woofers
Madison drivers are available online here: http://store.steelsound.com/Search.bok?category=Speakers:Woofers
I second the concern that this thread is limited to sealed boxes only. The only sealed subwoofers I have heard, which I would use, are servo-based to keep distortion down low, and that is at medium cost.
The subwoofers I would use that make the quality cut are servo-based sealed subs, open baffle, infinite baffle and horns. The servo based subwoofers are expensive by virtue of the electronics needed for the servo (although I think Rythmic makes a reasonably priced one), and the open and infinite baffle subs needs lots of cone area (and really should have both moderate Qts and low Fs to get down low) which means lots of drivers or quality drivers with big x-max.
This leaves horns. Bill Fitzmaurice makes a very cheap horn called the autotuba which can get down flat to 40 hz and you can build it yourself using this driver:
http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=55-2421&N=4
I believe that this driver sell for around $50 bucks or so and recently it is on sale for much less, then you would have to just build a horn cabinet. This will give you the most bang for the buck. The bigger drivers being considered for a sealed cabinet would maybe be as cheap, but nowhere near the quality of this horn.
Retsel
The subwoofers I would use that make the quality cut are servo-based sealed subs, open baffle, infinite baffle and horns. The servo based subwoofers are expensive by virtue of the electronics needed for the servo (although I think Rythmic makes a reasonably priced one), and the open and infinite baffle subs needs lots of cone area (and really should have both moderate Qts and low Fs to get down low) which means lots of drivers or quality drivers with big x-max.
This leaves horns. Bill Fitzmaurice makes a very cheap horn called the autotuba which can get down flat to 40 hz and you can build it yourself using this driver:
http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mcm/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=55-2421&N=4
I believe that this driver sell for around $50 bucks or so and recently it is on sale for much less, then you would have to just build a horn cabinet. This will give you the most bang for the buck. The bigger drivers being considered for a sealed cabinet would maybe be as cheap, but nowhere near the quality of this horn.
Retsel
You can also put a Ascendant Audio Avalanche 18 in a horn and get a nice performance/price ratio.
Since we are in the subwoofer forum, we can also say that this horn is not a real subwoofer, so there's limits as what you can do with a cheap horn and a cheap driver.
Since we are in the subwoofer forum, we can also say that this horn is not a real subwoofer, so there's limits as what you can do with a cheap horn and a cheap driver.
how are those pyles
AJinFLA - Did you have a chance to try out those Pyle woofers? How do they sound? Worth trying or shall I spend some more money on a decent woofer?
Cheers,
Exipnos
AJinFLA - Did you have a chance to try out those Pyle woofers? How do they sound? Worth trying or shall I spend some more money on a decent woofer?
Cheers,
Exipnos
Simon, I agree that I want bass below 40 hz (below 20 hz for me, actually). But I was merely responding to the poster who said the criteria was to have bass at 40 hz.
The Ascendent audio 18 inch drivers are not cheap (even if you picked one or two up during the recent sale), although they have a very good reputation. I bought a pair and I will first try them in an open baffle (dipole) arrangement. I am building a W baffle (Phoenix style) for them now. When I get my audio room built, I may try them in an infinite baffle enclosure as I have a crawlspace under my house.
Retsel
The Ascendent audio 18 inch drivers are not cheap (even if you picked one or two up during the recent sale), although they have a very good reputation. I bought a pair and I will first try them in an open baffle (dipole) arrangement. I am building a W baffle (Phoenix style) for them now. When I get my audio room built, I may try them in an infinite baffle enclosure as I have a crawlspace under my house.
Retsel
I'm surprised no one made mention of the dayton quatro at parts express with a xmax of 10mm, spl91.8 and freq of 20-125hz for $86.35
Hi Exipnos,
funny you should ask today, since I had largely forgotten this thread. It just so happens that I was fiddling with the Pyles earlier tonight! Strange coincidence. Unfortunately I still can't comment about the overall SQ, since my "listening" has largely been test tones and measurements, etc. The nearfield measurements show a very smooth and extended response. Not bad at all for $37! When checking for vent noise I drove the unbaffled driver (holding it in my hand, 20hz tone) with my Audiosource Amp One test amp (80/ch rms into 8ohm) and it absorbed the full output without distress. I was actually suprised that there was no noticeable noise with the (rear) vent being relatively small. Keep in mind it is also vented around the spider and below the cap. I'm still quite skeptical about the xmax rating, but so far so good. Also keep in mind that 2 of these are still less than 1 Dayton! Thats a driver (the Quatro 15) I have also looked at to use in an upcoming project. The Dayton is well suited for what I am going to need. Not a true sub project . More woofer than sub. I'm doing more work with the Pyle this weekend. I'll try to post an update with pics. It might not be what you expect however.
Cheers,
AJ
funny you should ask today, since I had largely forgotten this thread. It just so happens that I was fiddling with the Pyles earlier tonight! Strange coincidence. Unfortunately I still can't comment about the overall SQ, since my "listening" has largely been test tones and measurements, etc. The nearfield measurements show a very smooth and extended response. Not bad at all for $37! When checking for vent noise I drove the unbaffled driver (holding it in my hand, 20hz tone) with my Audiosource Amp One test amp (80/ch rms into 8ohm) and it absorbed the full output without distress. I was actually suprised that there was no noticeable noise with the (rear) vent being relatively small. Keep in mind it is also vented around the spider and below the cap. I'm still quite skeptical about the xmax rating, but so far so good. Also keep in mind that 2 of these are still less than 1 Dayton! Thats a driver (the Quatro 15) I have also looked at to use in an upcoming project. The Dayton is well suited for what I am going to need. Not a true sub project . More woofer than sub. I'm doing more work with the Pyle this weekend. I'll try to post an update with pics. It might not be what you expect however.
Cheers,
AJ
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