Nope I had issue with you taking what they said out of context. BTW you make a poor troll, I would drop the 'outdated beliefs' bit.Bill, you now seem to be taking issue with what the authors said. If you are looking for a reason so you can dismiss their findings and hang onto your old outdated beliefs then just say so.
As Jakob found, what I said was very close to what the authors said (only in inverse form). I never claimed it was a direct quote or I would have put quotation marks around it.
So a section purporting to be from a book in italics is not a quote? So it really was just stirring the pot and not any attempt at an adult level discussion? And then you roped Jakob in on it as well.
So a section purporting to be from a book in italics is not a quote?
Incorrect. There is more than one post you have taken issue with. The post with quoted italics is a quote taken from a book excerpt article at EDN.com. Didn't I link to the article in that post, thought I would have 😕
In any case here it is again: https://www.edn.com/loudspeakers-effects-of-amplifiers-and-cables-part-6/
EDIT: By the way, I am serious that some here are trying to hang on to old outdated beliefs about what is or is not audible. You appear to be one of them, although not one of the trolls.
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I still don't see agenda.
I suppose you see it now.Nope I had issue with you taking what they said out of context. BTW you make a poor troll, I would drop the 'outdated beliefs' bit.
So a section purporting to be from a book in italics is not a quote? So it really was just stirring the pot and not any attempt at an adult level discussion? And then you roped Jakob in on it as well.

Hi Dave
To properly record true stereo you need to use two microphones.
Ah Ha! So that's what I've been doing wrong all these years - using one microphone and trying to produce stereo! 😉 Kidding!
Yes, I'm quite familiar with A-B, ORTF, X-Y, M-S, close miking, yada-yada, and variations of them, having a lengthy background in audio recording.
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If you have a studio, then perhaps you should pay attention to true stereo. It is kind of like organic food and wine. I think there will always be connoisseurs.
If you watch only one scene from a movie, you will never understand the whole plot. And this is an American film and it is beautiful.
I get that - perhaps one day I'll watch the whole thing based on your impression, above. What I dont get, is the link to that particular scene in the context of obsession about audio components, as connected to a depiction of violence and emotional abuse.
My initial question was far from a challenge, I was merely interested in connecting initial resolutions of the audio source, to perceptibility of cable effects. Certainly at some point the source is bad enough to obscure what the cable changes; not saying your sources were "bad", just wondering what it takes initially to hear it changed by a cable's physical properties.
I listen mostly to 16bit 44.1 digital - or worse - so maybe I'd never hear it anyway and trying different cables would be a waste of time in my case -
My next question was merely to suss out if it was a tonal or spatial effect. Next I'll probably hear it was spatial, but on monophonic playback! Cant a random member participate here without getting "backhanded"?
What difficult people you are. I just did not find another scene from this film, which in our box office was called "obsession." You have not even watched this film, shot in the USA by a wonderful director. I already wrote, if you want to understand any problem - figure it out yourself. Moreover, I already wrote everything that you ask a post above!I get that - perhaps one day I'll watch the whole thing based on your impression, above. What I dont get, is the link to that particular scene in the context of obsession about audio components, as connected to a depiction of violence and emotional abuse.My initial question was far from a challenge, I was merely interested in connecting initial resolutions of the audio source, to perceptibility of cable effects. Certainly at some point the source is bad enough to obscure what the cable changes; not saying your sources were "bad", just wondering what it takes initially to hear it changed by a cable's physical properties.
I listen mostly to 16bit 44.1 digital - or worse - so maybe I'd never hear it anyway and trying different cables would be a waste of time in my case -My next question was merely to suss out if it was a tonal or spatial effect. Next I'll probably hear it was spatial, but on monophonic playback! Cant a random member participate here without getting "backhanded"?
By the way, what kind of violence are you talking about all the time? Threw a chair in this scene? You are not a woman to faint from this
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Ah Ha! So that's what I've been doing wrong all these years - using one microphone and trying to produce stereo! 😉 Kidding!
Yes, I'm quite familiar with A-B, ORTF, X-Y, M-S, close miking, yada-yada, and variations of them, having a lengthy background in audio recording.
🙂
Hold on, which one of those is "true stereo?"If you have a studio, then perhaps you should pay attention to true stereo. It is kind of like organic food and wine. I think there will always be connoisseurs.
Are you mad?By the way, what kind of violence are you talking about all the time? Threw a chair in this scene? You are not a woman to faint from this
Is this your chat?
Read above.Hold on, which one of those is "true stereo?"
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GUNFU you have a point regarding some 'stereo effect artifacts' in a mono source. This was discussed decades ago by Richard Heyser RIP. People here are not very well read and stick to only a few sources that they rely upon. Please keep up your dialogue.
And your people here. So your not well read. And there's no stereo info from one mic, or one channel of any thing. Very easy to test, send the same signal to both speakers, any left right inconsistantcies (stereo sound) is from defects in your system or room making left and right different. This is basic logic, but it seems the well read people prefer magic . Depth is different so you get some sound stage, all front to back.
Except that JC accepts opinions different from his own. 🙂Pot meet Kettle 😉
If you manage to filter out the effect of two loudspeakers in an asymmetric room artificial effect and in addition the possible influence of a mono vinyl played through a stereo cartridge, what do you end up in real beneficial effect ? (I enjoy mono playback of mono material)GUNFU you have a point regarding some 'stereo effect artifacts' in a mono source. This was discussed decades ago by Richard Heyser RIP. People here are not very well read and stick to only a few sources that they rely upon. Please keep up your dialogue.
George
That depends on what they've read. They could be well read on audio voodoo.the well read people prefer magic .
Because most people here are intellectually lazy, I will recommend a writing from the late Richard Heyser now available from Columbia College Chicago under the title:
'Audio Magazine😛roposed series Chapter 08-Stereo Reproduction' A few minutes with Google can get you the whole series, BUT Ch. 08 will give some insight to a more serious understanding stereo effect and that sometimes it can be produced with a single loudspeaker, at least enough to fool people sometimes. I'll scan a page or two later. (just to help).
'Audio Magazine😛roposed series Chapter 08-Stereo Reproduction' A few minutes with Google can get you the whole series, BUT Ch. 08 will give some insight to a more serious understanding stereo effect and that sometimes it can be produced with a single loudspeaker, at least enough to fool people sometimes. I'll scan a page or two later. (just to help).
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