It's just that the LT1028 is obviously enough the best sounding of all LT opamps, I tried others but... always came back. If the Burson is a transparent and accurate (err...low distortion) opamp, it should...
Given how good chip opamps can sound today, I'm nothing less than amazed that the Burson & Co. "seem" to sell so well. For me (and others) the best of the chips leave nothing to be desired.
hehe, well it's another dimension altogether...sound is mushy as hell on IC's in comparison.
Earth told some part of the story...far wider SS than IC's(majkel couldn't deny), but too distorted/too colored and not very natural.
but it was a trade...some color/distortion for 360 degrees SS
the new burson + mundorf cap gets it all right 🙂
it takes the good sides of Sun V2 and of Earth...very clear and undistorted sound, but very natural SS and so emotional/grasping...ahhhhhhhhhhh 😀
but well, I feed it w/ LT1124 which is a great chip in its own right...it basically allows it to blossom like on a good spring day 😉
Earth told some part of the story...far wider SS than IC's(majkel couldn't deny), but too distorted/too colored and not very natural.
but it was a trade...some color/distortion for 360 degrees SS
the new burson + mundorf cap gets it all right 🙂
it takes the good sides of Sun V2 and of Earth...very clear and undistorted sound, but very natural SS and so emotional/grasping...ahhhhhhhhhhh 😀
but well, I feed it w/ LT1124 which is a great chip in its own right...it basically allows it to blossom like on a good spring day 😉
At any rate...
In the end I took the courage, and I desoldered the LME49710NA's in the SVDAC05 and soldered the LT1028ACN8. Risky... can't quite believe that I managed not to do any damage!
Anyway, well... the two DAC's now sound -exactly- the same, even with the difference in supply voltage to the opamps, 30V total vs. just 12V, and the Super Pro having the LT1028CS8 not ACN8.
I guess this proves that the LT1028CS8 sounds absolutely indistinguishable from the ACN8, just like I thought before (without having directly compared).
Ah, and definitely the SVDAC05 sounds better now. I looooooove this opamp (and/or this DAC chip + opamp combination).
In the end I took the courage, and I desoldered the LME49710NA's in the SVDAC05 and soldered the LT1028ACN8. Risky... can't quite believe that I managed not to do any damage!
Anyway, well... the two DAC's now sound -exactly- the same, even with the difference in supply voltage to the opamps, 30V total vs. just 12V, and the Super Pro having the LT1028CS8 not ACN8.
I guess this proves that the LT1028CS8 sounds absolutely indistinguishable from the ACN8, just like I thought before (without having directly compared).
Ah, and definitely the SVDAC05 sounds better now. I looooooove this opamp (and/or this DAC chip + opamp combination).
Ah BTW if the Burson Mk II measures identical to the OPA-Earth, then it has the same amount of harmonic distortion. Maybe it's just hidden better 😛
well, what that "MkII" denomination is remains to be found out.
sound is definitely clearer than Earth, and also less distorted...w/ far more texture and it's also far less colored.
hopefully I'll receive the 1028ACN8/1363 and OPA227/228 on monday..the AD797B are coming from HK so it'll take longer.
and it's funny when you talk about op-amps rolling to "normal" ppl how much they think that you're a complete nutcase, that's spoiled and will remain unsatisfied until the end of days ^^
this is definitely wrong, I could definitely live w/ the Burson+1124..as much as you could apparently live w/ the 1028(for now 😀)
but I think you'd be better off putting high quality gold plated sockets, so you could roll to some crappy parts from time to time...just so your brain doesn't get bored and tells you that you need a better part in there 😛
sound is definitely clearer than Earth, and also less distorted...w/ far more texture and it's also far less colored.
hopefully I'll receive the 1028ACN8/1363 and OPA227/228 on monday..the AD797B are coming from HK so it'll take longer.
and it's funny when you talk about op-amps rolling to "normal" ppl how much they think that you're a complete nutcase, that's spoiled and will remain unsatisfied until the end of days ^^
this is definitely wrong, I could definitely live w/ the Burson+1124..as much as you could apparently live w/ the 1028(for now 😀)
but I think you'd be better off putting high quality gold plated sockets, so you could roll to some crappy parts from time to time...just so your brain doesn't get bored and tells you that you need a better part in there 😛
BTW, I just rolled the LT1213 for fun...sound is very different from LT1124, need to listen more carefully.
also right now I've got 2*1028ACN8 and 2*1363CN8...could I use one of each on each channel? 😀
can you do tricks like this? one different op-amp per DAC polarity? ahhhhhhhh, this opens tons of new possibilities 😛
also right now I've got 2*1028ACN8 and 2*1363CN8...could I use one of each on each channel? 😀
can you do tricks like this? one different op-amp per DAC polarity? ahhhhhhhh, this opens tons of new possibilities 😛
Ha ha, tons of new possibilities of messing things up. 😛
No, anyway, if there's one thing I know, it's that those LT1028ACN8 will stay there for the eternity. 😀
I'm just planning to change two lytics, two bypasses, and put some high quality output caps (now there's a bit of DC offset though just 11 mV).
I've restored my SVDAC05 that I didn't listen to anymore just because of those LME49710's. 😎
No, anyway, if there's one thing I know, it's that those LT1028ACN8 will stay there for the eternity. 😀
I'm just planning to change two lytics, two bypasses, and put some high quality output caps (now there's a bit of DC offset though just 11 mV).
I've restored my SVDAC05 that I didn't listen to anymore just because of those LME49710's. 😎
hehe ok, I really don't wanna kill my soundcard..I guess sending very different(like AD797BN/LT1028ACN8) outputs for each polarity might screw things up...maybe, I'm not sure 😛
I will ask a few EE's, anyway LT1213 has a major lack of definition compared to LT1124....the burson is starved.
I will ask a few EE's, anyway LT1213 has a major lack of definition compared to LT1124....the burson is starved.
humm LT1469 is not staying...I'll put back 1124 in a few, SQ is much higher...and tomorrow I'll replace it by 4*1028ACN8 🙂
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Samuel Groner has tested them both and the LT1213's distortion performance is much better, especially in the upper side of the spectrum.
Low distortion is meant to sound non-aggressive, anyway. For instance, the OPA-Earth's aggressive portrayal of detail (especially in the midrange) didn't sound like low distortion, to me.
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And the LT1469 too is a lower distortion opamp than the LT1124.
BTW, if you like definition that much (even if it means forwardness - at least the chips don't have 1% of THD), why didn't you like the LT1678? The LT1677 had a lot of fine detail resolution indeed, and a lot of airiness too.
BTW, if you like definition that much (even if it means forwardness - at least the chips don't have 1% of THD), why didn't you like the LT1678? The LT1677 had a lot of fine detail resolution indeed, and a lot of airiness too.
well 1124 sounds very high-def, 1213 is a major step back..and so is 1469 to a lesser extend.
I did try LT1678 in the past, but I gave them a to friend so I won't be able to try them again...they were not as amazing as LT1124 anyway(that I'm gonna roll back in a few mins)
I did try LT1678 in the past, but I gave them a to friend so I won't be able to try them again...they were not as amazing as LT1124 anyway(that I'm gonna roll back in a few mins)
it's like a dual 211? actually I think I'm more of a LT guy than a BB fan...hopefully OPA228P will prove me wrong tomorrow, but I kinda doubt it. I've already caught majkel saying lot of stuff I disagree w/, so we might just have different set ups/tastes and expectations...not like there's anything wrong w/ that, but saying that the new burson was the same as Moon was utter **.
and I'm still listening to LT1469IN8 as I got lazy, ahhhhhhh SQ is terrible...sounds like a cheap AM radio when fed to the Burson, when a LT1124ACN8 sounded like high-def hifi.
and I'm still listening to LT1469IN8 as I got lazy, ahhhhhhh SQ is terrible...sounds like a cheap AM radio when fed to the Burson, when a LT1124ACN8 sounded like high-def hifi.
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The LT1469 is an unforgiving opamp. I don't know in combination with the Burson? Maybe too much.
Well, the OPA2211 (yep, two OPA211 in one package) has a sound that should go well with the discrete opamp, surely quite different from the sonic character of an LT1469. And surely it's very transparent. It only lacked the beautiful tonal quality of the LT1028.
Well, the OPA2211 (yep, two OPA211 in one package) has a sound that should go well with the discrete opamp, surely quite different from the sonic character of an LT1469. And surely it's very transparent. It only lacked the beautiful tonal quality of the LT1028.
define "tonal quality" please 😛
that's what OPA Sun-V2 was lacking I think, and even majkel agreed on that.
that's what OPA Sun-V2 was lacking I think, and even majkel agreed on that.
Pleasantly colorful sound, something like that. The OPA211 would've been my favorite opamp if it only had a better tonality. But since fidelity is also tonal fidelity, the LT1028 takes the prize for the most well rounded opamp.
I hope you aren't confused by my 'definition'... I don't really like to distinguish between a sound that is faithful to the recording and a sound that is pleasing to the ear. These two things are not supposed to be in contradiction with each other by any means! Just in case..