And copper wire is copper wire.....
Yet.... the hype:
- PSC (Perfect-Surface Copper) / PSC+ conductors
- Counter-spiral HyperLitz geometry
- Multi-position carbon-based noise-dissipation and crosstalk-dissipation systems
- Cold-welded connectors
Naturally, all that fancy jazz talk will impress people that don't know a thing about electrical products, or physics or science.
Agreed... For all intents and purposes, you could use a power cable made from steel and not notice much of a difference unless you were powering a heater or something 🙂 Barbed wire comes to mind...
[wiki=]%[/wiki]The most funny part about high end power cords is, nobody cares about the wires beyond the socket, in the walls.
A case of smooth marketing? 😉
I'm sure the electrical atoms and molecules jiggling and vibrating around in my worthless old zip cords would thank me to give them a "pure surface" copper to play in.
And my audio systems would sound like mega-buck esoteric wonders of the universe.
Patsy Cline herself would probably come back to life and sing for me, and then make me a nice drinkie.

Not true, some install a dedicated utility power pole as reported in Obsessed Audiophiles in Japan Are Installing Their Own Power Poles To Improve Sound. Who are we to tell how far an enthusiast is willing to go?The most funny part about high end power cords is, nobody cares about the wires beyond the socket, in the walls.
Not true, some install a dedicated utility power pole as reported in Obsessed Audiophiles in Japan Are Installing Their Own Power Poles To Improve Sound. Who are we to tell how far an enthusiast is willing to go?
That's the result of the Dumbing Down of the Population and the brainwashing due to continuous Marketing Hype.
It's really a sad thing...... however I gotta laugh my azz off about it.
I'm not "nuts", I live on planet Earth.
I'm sure the electrical atoms and molecules jiggling and vibrating around in my worthless old zip cords would thank me to give them a "pure surface" copper to play in.
And my audio systems would sound like mega-buck esoteric wonders of the universe.
Patsy Cline herself would probably come back to life and sing for me, and then make me a nice drinkie.![]()
You're ignoring the effect of perfect surface copper on the improved electron flow in which at high frequencies most current flows in the outer skin. The perfect surface copper surely must assist laminar flow whereas in other cable it is turbulent.
how far an enthusiast is willing to go?
I've tryed to replace my copper loudspeakers cable by stainless steel bicycle brakes cables and i can't hear or measure any differences 🙂
You're ignoring the science about skin effect.You're ignoring the effect of perfect surface copper on the improved electron flow in which at high frequencies most current flows in the outer skin. The perfect surface copper surely must assist laminar flow whereas in other cable it is turbulent.
I've tryed to replace my copper loudspeakers cable by stainless steel bicycle brakes cables and i can't hear or measure any differences 🙂
Thats because of the counter spiral hyperlitz geometry 😛
You're ignoring the science about skin effect.
And plenty more science, electrons in a metal do not "flow" like water.
You're ignoring the effect of perfect surface copper on the improved electron flow in which at high frequencies most current flows in the outer skin. The perfect surface copper surely must assist laminar flow whereas in other cable it is turbulent.
Oh no, I'm not ignoring anything that's relevant to audio systems.
The "skin effect" you mention is a documented real thing - at microwave frequencies.
And certainly has no relevant issue at 60Hz or even 20-20kHz.
I'm sure you posted that info as an amusing addition to this thread.
And plenty more science, electrons in a metal do not "flow" like water.
Indeed, true.
They bump into each other. 😉
However, with that "spiral hyperlitz geometry" that Mountain Man Bob mentioned, they'll likely become dizzy little creatures.
Here's some skin effect science from the University of St Andrews (see attachment):
Note how tiny the power losses are.The broken line shows what we might expect when using wires of ‘Litz’ construction with a fill factor approaching unity. The solid line shows what we might expect from either a solid wire or a multistranded wire of closely packed thin strands.
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Yes, another misconception of an electronic effect that takes place at very high frequencies. Yet another one, is the pinch effect which requires huge currents to flow to manifest itself. However, at such currents wires would melt.wiseoldtech said:The "skin effect" you mention is a documented real thing - at microwave frequencies. And certainly has no relevant issue at 60Hz or even 20-20kHz.
Even planet10 advocates the use of solid cat wire for speakers so it can't be that much of an issue, although he says they should preferably be cryo-treated.
Even planet10 advocates the use of solid cat wire for speakers so it can't be that much of an issue, although he says they should preferably be cryo-treated.
Yet another bunch of BS, that cryo stuff is.
If you let these internet-circulated stories screw with your brain, you'll eventually go nuts.
Consumerism, propoganda, etc., is an annoying thing.
I've asked him what the reason is but didn't get an answer, typical of the MO of many of the golden ear brigade.
Thanks, I was wondering they could do that.Not true, some install a dedicated utility power pole as reported in Obsessed Audiophiles in Japan Are Installing Their Own Power Poles To Improve Sound. Who are we to tell how far an enthusiast is willing to go?
Have they invented some supra conductivity at room temperature ?
A sure way to have electrons travelling happily
A sure way to have electrons travelling happily
You've got laugh at £1000 mains cables. It doesn't matter what the mains cable is made of as you have absolutely no control over the wire that connects you to the sub-station.
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