Last few posts seem to indicate that many of you guys are not as cynical about our 'free market' economies as I have become.
Firstly my nation has been conventionally not interested much in the scientific principle, it has been seen as 'nurdy/geeky', and not 'cuddly'.
Psychologists and marketing men will do just about anything they can to sell stuff, they even lie.
Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, developed Public Relations and managed to get people inhaling the toxic fumes from burning vegetable matter, despite their almost universal reaction to doing this being sick when doing so.
He even managed to get them to think it was pleasurable and that they could not do without it, and killed millions of people, particularly women.
How much easier is it to get a rich guy, too loaded to become stressed about losing money carelessly, to part with a lot on Hi-Fi, especially when it has the chique of expensive domestic decor?
Still, he does at least partially facilitate our lower level development costs by 'trickle-down.
Firstly my nation has been conventionally not interested much in the scientific principle, it has been seen as 'nurdy/geeky', and not 'cuddly'.
Psychologists and marketing men will do just about anything they can to sell stuff, they even lie.
Edward Bernays, Freud's nephew, developed Public Relations and managed to get people inhaling the toxic fumes from burning vegetable matter, despite their almost universal reaction to doing this being sick when doing so.
He even managed to get them to think it was pleasurable and that they could not do without it, and killed millions of people, particularly women.
How much easier is it to get a rich guy, too loaded to become stressed about losing money carelessly, to part with a lot on Hi-Fi, especially when it has the chique of expensive domestic decor?
Still, he does at least partially facilitate our lower level development costs by 'trickle-down.
There's no disagree on that. Even household stuff and cosmetics containing radium were once sold, because of the claims of this "beneficial" element.
The amount of BS pseudoscience sellers throw at us is extremely high.
But my proposal to one is not to be biased or negatively biased on an extreme side. And this applies to everyone. For example, a powercord might / or might not be audible, due to /or not electrical reasons or due to / or not other reasons. I believe keeping an open mind with open questions is the goal to good science. Remember - marketing pseudoscience is not an example.
While personally I do play with my power cords to alter the sound of my system, these are DIY bellow the price range of 40$, I would get really mad if someone close to me pays 14k for one. Damn, I even got crazy today at a story of a guy friend of a friend of mine, who got a 1.5k surgery to get a sillicon ball inserted into his stomach. And that in order to always feel full all the time, so that he would eat less to lose weight. What about exercise, good diet and common sense? JEez.
Since you ask, I can't help answering, at the risk that you dislike my answer
The same thing happens to your friend's friend as you did with your power cable experiments to find sound differences.
Is a well-filtered and well-regulated power supply not enough to want to eliminate even more so-called "undesirable AC parasites" from the power line?
I could never understand that .....😕🙁
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Snake oil, only this.
Can Power Cords Have an Effect on an Audio System's Sound? - Audiophile Review
Can Power Cords Have an Effect on an Audio System's Sound? - Audiophile Review
If the power cord is so undersized it acts like a resistor, then yes it can effect sound. Any decent 16 AWG IEC power cable is good enough IMHO.
No, the only problem a fine wire can cause is that it will act as a fuse, it can overheat and burn, interrupting the AC supply.
Ultimately, the only thing that will affect the sound is a click that will last a tenth of a second.
If you're concerned about that, boost your fuse to values well above those recommended by the manufacturer of the amp.
The risk is yours.
In the article I attached, Steven is definitely who is right, and David sells snake oil.
So the voltage drop before "it will act like a fuse" is inconsequential then? LOL
If you buy a 2000$ power cable, I have an ocean front vacation spot in Saskatchewan for lease...
If you buy a 2000$ power cable, I have an ocean front vacation spot in Saskatchewan for lease...
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if the devil is in the power cable, why not for this sum, it sure going to improve your sound, not the cable.
Some snake oil I would say it is witchy, like healing with sounds or vibrations, it is stuff from beyond matter.
Some snake oil I would say it is witchy, like healing with sounds or vibrations, it is stuff from beyond matter.
Power cords, cat cables, speaker cables...... there's ALREADY been countless nauseating and BORING threads about this crap.
But one thing is clear....
It brings out the best commentary from humans.
But one thing is clear....
It brings out the best commentary from humans.
hmm, a lot of professional mastering and music studio owners have reported that the house wiring from the main breaker to the audio room has some impact, and I have experienced the same after changing house wire to 10. I don't still know why it did...
Simple.
Eliminating/reducing the effects of voltage sags due to fluctuating current needs.
Thicker wire is less resistive. 😎
"Eliminating/reducing the effects of voltage sags due to fluctuating" Well, what if you eliminate the fluctuations then?
Dont these class A amplifiers just sit and cook? That is, they take about the same power whether they're driving a signal or not. By the time you get back through all the power supply bulk capacitance, I'd say not much going on current transient wise at the AC input.
If you have one of these amplifiers, you probably use FR speakers. These are characteristically really efficient, so even less dynamic demand on amplifier current because they're only running a couple-few watts, even to play uncomfortably loud.
I cant imagine a preamp or AC powered USB DAC taking any significant current with appreciable transients that any ordinary corded AC mains connection couldnt handle.
I'm sure there's some angle that sounds "engineeringly" enough to make me think twice - about the spin, not buying one.
Dont these class A amplifiers just sit and cook? That is, they take about the same power whether they're driving a signal or not. By the time you get back through all the power supply bulk capacitance, I'd say not much going on current transient wise at the AC input.
If you have one of these amplifiers, you probably use FR speakers. These are characteristically really efficient, so even less dynamic demand on amplifier current because they're only running a couple-few watts, even to play uncomfortably loud.
I cant imagine a preamp or AC powered USB DAC taking any significant current with appreciable transients that any ordinary corded AC mains connection couldnt handle.
I'm sure there's some angle that sounds "engineeringly" enough to make me think twice - about the spin, not buying one.
I think the fluctuating things referred to are the cooker, fridge, freezer, washing machine motor, dishwasher, plethora of SMPS, etc and all of the other dirty electrical appliances sharing the same electrical ring main circuit.
kind regards
Marek
kind regards
Marek
You would be correct.
And along with those things, the interconnects along the way, branching off through the rooms, etc...
Ideally, a solid line of Romex from the breaker to the receptacle, with no other connections.
Again, because you try thinking of a power cable electrically. 🙂
And a bunch of people participating here just want to have their version justified. And here we go again.. and again.
Strike a light, is this thread still going? Like all long threads it's degenerated into several disparate discussions, it's like trying to listen to several LP's at one time.
Some good points there Tubelab, a lone voice of reason lost amongst the chatter.
And the beat goes on.....Andy.
Some good points there Tubelab, a lone voice of reason lost amongst the chatter.
And the beat goes on.....Andy.
I don’t have the capacity to understand the snake oil systems and I feel resistance to accept anything beyond physics and science.
Regards, Gerrit
Regards, Gerrit