How about a nice Fisher console from 1964. The fancy one was $645, which in today's money is $5,364.02. Was this considered a "high end fallacy" in 1964?
1964 Fisher Custom Electra VII E-49 Console
jeff
1964 Fisher Custom Electra VII E-49 Console
jeff
Hence the reason why sellers / shills saturate the press / internet with all sorts of praises to prime the customers' perception. Some people are easily swayed by suggestions. As they say, "There's a sucker born every minute."Preamp or Amp/DAC/Speaker is to please customer's ear, so if customers are satisfied, it worth its price. After all, it is just for entertainment, unlike scope.
How about a nice Fisher console from 1964. The fancy one was $645, which in today's money is $5,364.02. Was this considered a "high end fallacy" in 1964?
1964 Fisher Custom Electra VII E-49 Console
jeff
The Fisher systems/consoles from the early era like the Electra, President, etc., were crafted to be some of the finest in their league.
The console cabinets were hand-crafted of real woods, by masters, and of course made the price high.
Fisher had an "in house" team doing the cabinets, others often farmed out the work from established furniture builders like Drexel, etc.
Things were different back then - people actually worked for a living, and large companies employed many workers, each trained and specialized in a given field.
My parents bought a "top line" RCA Victor console in 1963, and it cost $630, payable in installments.
It also was constructed of solid cherry, with the best (tube) electronics that RCA had at the time.
You can't really compare a large console with simple components, they're two vastly different birds.
So a polished metal housing is something that needs to be considered betrayel und people buying that need to be called names as they are less than medium bright bulbs.
But "cabinets ... hand-crafted of real woods, by masters" totally justify a price that equals (in 2020 dollars) 5311,17?
But it's nice that no one has to work for a living anymore.
But "cabinets ... hand-crafted of real woods, by masters" totally justify a price that equals (in 2020 dollars) 5311,17?
But it's nice that no one has to work for a living anymore.
The Fisher systems/consoles from the early era like the Electra, President, etc., were crafted to be some of the finest in their league.
Superlatives without a reference point are pretty meaningless
The console cabinets were hand-crafted of real woods, by masters, and of course made the price high.
No they weren't, they were built to a price in a factory using mass labour and materials that were commonly available and acceptable to the intended buyer.
Things were different back then - people actually worked for a living, and large companies employed many workers, each trained and specialized in a given field.
So, exactly the same as Amazon or Foxconn then.
You should take up writing copy for audiophile retailers. You are very good at it.
How about a nice Fisher console from 1964. The fancy one was $645, which in today's money is $5,364.02. Was this considered a "high end fallacy" in 1964?
1964 Fisher Custom Electra VII E-49 Console
jeff
It was newish tech back then, thats what you were paying for. Because of the present tube fad thats a bad analogy. Replace the tube amp with a 60s color tv that was a similar price. Hey its full of tubes so it must be better. If I built one today how much could I sell it for?
It is special .I heard it last week along with ref 160 amp . The sad reality is that 99.99% of DIY folks will never get near that quality. Good news is you don't have to buy it to be happy.17k$ for a riaa curve. Ok this one must be great !
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Funny thing is I was switching the amp from triode to pentode on the fly and the needle of the big meter got stuck in the middle. I thought my friend will get a heart attack . I simply knocked on the front glass and the needle returned to its resting position - magic ha ha
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But it's nice that no one has to work for a living anymore.
You mean I can quit my job, and stop paying all my bills, and nobody will come after me? Phew, that's a relief.😀
jeff
You mean I can quit my job, and stop paying all my bills, and nobody will come after me? Phew, that's a relief.😀
jeff
Hardly anybody gets irony these days
So a polished metal housing is something that needs to be considered betrayel und people buying that need to be called names as they are less than medium bright bulbs.
But "cabinets ... hand-crafted of real woods, by masters" totally justify a price that equals (in 2020 dollars) 5311,17?
But it's nice that no one has to work for a living anymore.
Polished metal is still acceptable ( barely).Whats not are white painted and polished speakers and white equipment chassis adorned with silver /gold accents
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You mean I can quit my job, and stop paying all my bills, and nobody will come after me? Phew, that's a relief.😀
jeff
The master troll will tell you all about it. See The amazing fallacy of High End stuff...
There are waiting lists for Rolex watches , sometimes 12 years ahead. Luxury market has its own rules . We should be grateful that we can enjoy world of music within a finger's reach and with hai -fai quality to boot.
AFAIK, the biggest issue is that people listen with their egos.
If YOU spend a lot, it is by definition very good.
If YOU spend a lot, it is by definition very good.
AFAIK, the biggest issue is that people listen with their egos.
If YOU spend a lot, it is by definition very good.
I learned that the first year I went to AXPONA. A show for rich men with white hair that can't hear above 15K. Most rooms I had to walk out of because it sounded so bad! 😛
Usually it is very good. Way more often than not.
Personally I don't like High End sound and find it a distraction . Most people here love it , clone it ( or attempt to ) just have a problem with pricing.
Personally I don't like High End sound and find it a distraction . Most people here love it , clone it ( or attempt to ) just have a problem with pricing.
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I hear up to 12kHz and have a big hole around 3 kHz related to workind with hammer for several years .Nobody carded to give ear protection to white NG's slaving in USA back in time .
Axpona is a special case because its in Chicago. A second red neck rivera after Myrtle Beach . Nothing sounds good there .I learned that the first year I went to AXPONA. A show for rich men with white hair that can't hear above 15K. Most rooms I had to walk out of because it sounded so bad! 😛
I hear up to 12kHz and have a big hole around 3 kHz related to workind with hammer for several years .Nobody carded to give ear protection to white NG's slaving in USA back in time .
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Nobody carded to give ear protection to white NG's slaving in USA back in time .
Or filter masks for painting cars on the assembly line.😱
jeff
'indian' type sweatshops exist in North America, we are proud...
Hard jobs still exist and always will, like plumber, side walk snow removal 🙁 policeman, firefighter, rescue, mechanic, house builder, welder etc etc.
'thinking' is hardest and most rewarded 🙂
Hard jobs still exist and always will, like plumber, side walk snow removal 🙁 policeman, firefighter, rescue, mechanic, house builder, welder etc etc.
'thinking' is hardest and most rewarded 🙂
"Indian" type sweatshops? Your disdain for these professions is rather sad & all...
I'd really like to see you just try to diagnose a collection of faults on todays modern cars...
Also, todays Police officer needs to be much much more the better person than those of just twenty years ago...
The likes of the greasy dumb mechanic & the macho ***-kicker cop are long gone.
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I'd really like to see you just try to diagnose a collection of faults on todays modern cars...
Also, todays Police officer needs to be much much more the better person than those of just twenty years ago...
The likes of the greasy dumb mechanic & the macho ***-kicker cop are long gone.
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