So, lab produced diamonds, rubies and sapphires would not be stones, to you?
Not poking the bear, just wondering. Gotta get back on topic.
@ItsAllInMyHead
"Stone" is only a name.
They can also be called "Crystals", but what changes?
Even a "Pearl" is considered a "Gemstone", but only in its classification, it is just an "agreement".
"Stone" is only a name.
They can also be called "Crystals", but what changes?
Even a "Pearl" is considered a "Gemstone", but only in its classification, it is just an "agreement".
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01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
Agreed fully. See the post that started our dialogue. I am simply trying to understand Charles' POV.@ItsAllInMyHead
Even a "Pearl" is considered a "Gemstone", but only in its classification, it is just an "agreement".
Also in that case it is only a matter of denomination and classification, an agreement and nothing else.
Stones from laboratories are synthetic gemstones.
Once again just a classification.
It seems to me that he had said that he had never "considered" a pearl just as a stone (and frankly me too), but also he had accepted (and me too) its actual "classification"
Stones from laboratories are synthetic gemstones.
Once again just a classification.
It seems to me that he had said that he had never "considered" a pearl just as a stone (and frankly me too), but also he had accepted (and me too) its actual "classification"
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Hazard, danger, risk (but stay relaxed!)
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
According to wiki.de only the CIBJO considers pearls as gemstones.
CIBJO stands for Confédération International de la Bijouterie, Joaillerie, Orfèvrerie des Diamantes, Perles et Pierres which literally translates as International Confederation of Jewelers, Jewelry, Diamond Goldsmithery, Pearls and Stones.
So while in their business activities or trade negotiations they consider pearls to be (gem-)stones in the very name of their organization they do not.
Make of that what you will...
This whole discussion has more than a hint of the 'Tomato: Vegetable or fruit' issue which really is not an issue at all.
It is also beautifully pointless as all good hairsplitting should be.
CIBJO stands for Confédération International de la Bijouterie, Joaillerie, Orfèvrerie des Diamantes, Perles et Pierres which literally translates as International Confederation of Jewelers, Jewelry, Diamond Goldsmithery, Pearls and Stones.
So while in their business activities or trade negotiations they consider pearls to be (gem-)stones in the very name of their organization they do not.
Make of that what you will...
This whole discussion has more than a hint of the 'Tomato: Vegetable or fruit' issue which really is not an issue at all.
It is also beautifully pointless as all good hairsplitting should be.
Hazard, danger, risk (but stay relaxed!)
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores
@Charles Darwin: Good points! There's a specific German word for what a tomato is. It literally translates to fruit vegetables, because we eat just the berries like fruit, but the plant is a one jear one like vegetables. Same applies for all kinds of pepper (capsicum), btw.
Best regards!
Best regards!
And yet, I've provided a previous link to another organization, known worldwide for their expertise in gemstones that lists the humble pearl as a gemstone. So, whomever provided Wiki.de with their information is demonstrably incorrect.
Not much at all.
Agreed fully. I was simply wondering how you, personally, made the distinction. It went from a pearl 'is not' a gemstone (with no supporting information), to 'it might be' a gemstone, to here's what I think I 'stone' is, to 'this is pointless hairsplitting'. Again, agreed on all counts.
All in good fun. When I differ in interpretation from someone else, I simply ask their interpretation. It's a way for me to understand others' POV.
Hazard, danger, risk (but stay relaxed!)
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores\
13 - Careful - The Motels
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall _ Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores\
13 - Careful - The Motels
Hazard, danger, risk (but stay relaxed!)
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall - Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores\
13 - Careful - The Motels
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall - Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores\
13 - Careful - The Motels
As I said it is mostly a case of using technical terms from one area or another which may have a different meaning for the same word, just like the 'Tomato: Fruit or Vegetable' thing. That is conflating the culinary terms of vegetable and fruit where the tomato is a vegetable but not a fruit with botanical terms were fruit has a specific definition which is fulfilled by the tomato and there is no such thing as a 'vegetable' (in Botany many berries are not actually berries either ie a strawberry or a raspberry is NOT a berry while a banana or indeed a tomato is).
Similarly here there is gemstone as used by trading bodies like the ones mentioned by me and linked by you on the one hand and geologists or chemists on the other. It makes sense for a trade body to expand the definition of gemstone to include other materials used in the same manner just to avoid having to say 'Gemstones and pearls and coral and amber and....' every time you discuss what your trading in but for a geologist it makes very little sense to include an animal waste product in a list that is otherwise populated only by naturally occurring minerals (or their artificially made versions).
You haven't resisted to correct the typo (underscore), don't you?
So why didn't you delete the backward slash too?
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01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall - Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores
13 - Careful - The Motels
Only noticed it just after you posted! 😁So why didn't you delete the backward slash too?
Thanks so much! People rarely articulate their POV when asked versus simply going with, "I'm right; and you're wrong!"
Hazard, danger, risk (but stay relaxed!)
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall - Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores
13 - Careful - The Motels
14 - Dark as a Dungeon - Harry Belafonte
01 - Red Alert - Basement Jaxx
02 - Look Out Cleveland - The Band
03 - Naked Man - Randy Newman
04 - Danger Zone - Kenny Loggins
05 - A Hard Rain's a-Gonna Fall - Bob Dylan
06 - Dead Man's Curve - Jan and Dean
07 - The Dangerous Kitchen - Frank Zappa
08 - Distant Early Warning - Rush
09 - Smoke From A Distant Fire - Sanford-Townsend Band
10 - Avalancha - Heroes del Silencio
11 - Careful With That Axe, Eugene - Pink Floyd
12 - Slippery When Wet - Commodores
13 - Careful - The Motels
14 - Dark as a Dungeon - Harry Belafonte
If I could still edit my post I would add this at the bottom:Thanks so much! People rarely articulate their POV when asked versus simply going with, "I'm right; and you're wrong!"
'TL;DR I'm right and you're not wrong'