I don't think most folks would know. All most would recognise is German in the period around WWII. Some people might think Nazi, but that is attaching too much to this object.
I had a bunch of them. Still have two. They are 6550WA'sOn top of it all, I had a box with a 6550.... it was a Sovtek and the box had the hammer and sickle on it.
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Not ok if you live in Germany. It would be illegal.So I'm quite liking my Telefunken RE074 neutro DC1938.
The tone is very good, with a more 'colourful' presentation, (not ugly ) than the CX301-A , with slightly more compression ...however it has this Nazi Swaastika printed on the tube.
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Is it ok to use such a tube?
Now you could just remove the marking...
IIRC the direction of the spin is different.The swastika, like the pentagon and hexagon is an energy symbol, and was borrowed from India, and it's still seen there, so one can view it as an Indian energy sysmbol, rather than being german 🙂
One of my neighbors is Indian and when they moved in they had an Indian Peace sign (reverse of the swastika) on their doorway.
(They had someone come in to do some sort of blessing ceremony. )
Kinda freaked a couple of neighbors out... I had to do a double take at first.
As to your comments about 'Nazis'. No. They were called Nazis before war broke out in '39.
There were Germans and there were Nazis.
My father was 14th Armor. One of his good friends grew up in Germany during the war. His brother was a Nazi. Turned his parents in to the police for having anti-Nazi sympathies. (They were killed during the war from an American bombing raid.) From VE day to '46 he was stationed at a Dachau sub-camp guarding suspected Nazis that were being investigated and possibly charged w war crimes.
Outside of Germany you can use the Tubes if you want.
In Germany, they would be illegal. Anything pointing to the Nazi Party or memorabilia is illegal.
Not something I'd really publicize.
Hi msegel,
I didn't know that. My German friends (and I know many) don't talk about this much. But they were very clear, most Germans were not Nazi's and disagreed with those policies. But as you pointed out, if you didn't play along, you might disappear. I can see a Nazi flag and other items, but this is simply an object that was in use. It was marked as many other items were. So stupid.
Don't deface that tube. Don't get in trouble either.
I didn't know that. My German friends (and I know many) don't talk about this much. But they were very clear, most Germans were not Nazi's and disagreed with those policies. But as you pointed out, if you didn't play along, you might disappear. I can see a Nazi flag and other items, but this is simply an object that was in use. It was marked as many other items were. So stupid.
Don't deface that tube. Don't get in trouble either.
The KN-2 tube is a very fast switch. These particular tubes were used for switching a laser system. Before that, switch tubes may have been used for nuclear weapons. Long time ago, before I was born. Also, there was a radar system on a nuclear weapon that used EL-84 vacuum tubes. Just think, the US government (DOE) had stockpiled EL-84 tubes.
Just think, nobody would have known about the swastika on your tube if you hadn't posted a photo here.
Just like this tube is still here after someone said they were illegal to own/sell:
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And I complain that Nelson Pass always uses blue LEDs (*).
This is beyond awesome. Imagine, turning on your amplifier and it starts to emit all kinds of gamma rays... ;-)
(*) Someone told me that Nelson likely bought 200K blue LEDs so he's going through them...
In Germany the swastika is indeed not allowed. Nowhere. Even airplanes in war musea have the swastika removed. It is called denazification (Entnazifizierung) and I think it is exaggerated as one better not erases history to avoid stuff happening again. The latter is in Germany emphasized and school kids are practically brainwashed to avoid fascism again but the horseshoe theory may apply 🙂 Therefore banning out the symbols on stuff of that era is a bit too much IMHO and I think this is also acknowledged not to be very successful. It also makes stuff still with the swastika to be valuable assets.
Anyway, I have parts made for ICBMs. Designed to kill. Designed by former Nazis (Operation Paperclip) under a different flag. Some countries have a very large weapon industry so that their economy depends on producing and exporting such stuff to kill people. Should I throw these away too? Or is it like sports? "Sports is not political".
Anyway, I have parts made for ICBMs. Designed to kill. Designed by former Nazis (Operation Paperclip) under a different flag. Some countries have a very large weapon industry so that their economy depends on producing and exporting such stuff to kill people. Should I throw these away too? Or is it like sports? "Sports is not political".
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I think this also covers the whole Apollo era ICBM development stuff (sold to the american public as space exploration).Operation Paperclip
And NASA today still eats huge amounts of money, while SpaceX actually does the space stuff 😀
The modern soviet GU50 tube I rather like - made by perhaps the most bloodthirsty organisation the world has known, by numbers and duration: the Bolsheviks, was originally based on the german LS50 tube, or so they say.
The problem with history is that it was written by the winners, Eisenhower didn't look good either after what he did to the german POWs along the banks of the Rhine ('Other Losses' by James Bacque), but all the shiny war films show 'us' as the good guys.
Personally I think we've learned nothing from WWII, the Nuremberg Code was totally ignored in 2021 and we see two people's being systematically wiped out today, I despair at the actions of the powerful. I view the 'woke' stuff as bolshevism, I don't think we are out of the woods by a long shot, we're merely being dragged toward the 3rd movement.
But in the midst of this, I think it's important to value the finer things in life, my own favourite era of modern earth history is actually the early 1800s, not the banking system disaster of 1812, but the architecture, music, the old photos of deserted streets full of magnificent buildings, apparantly built by no one for no one - our inheritance perhaps - and before WWI and WWII this world was a rather special place - and there are still signs of this, if we look carefully.
The airships too - the germans made them famous, but they were worldwide. Hydrogen is the perfect gas for them, light and easy to make, leak-safe as it rises rapidly, but it was given that a bad name and the freedom they gave us has been lost. Great to explore forbidden places such as antarctica, drifting around the skies would be interesting, and perhaps help explain the engineering of the old Star Forts, such as the Nossa Senhora da Graca star fort at Elvas - tricky to make with bits of string and wheelbarrows, and no motive..!
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Luckily, we have a whole wikipedia page concerning this issue:In Germany the swastika is indeed not allowed. Nowhere. Even airplanes in war musea have the swastika removed.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verwe...gswidriger_und_terroristischer_Organisationen
Note that the display of the swastika is not prohibited per se, but there are just strict rules.
A warplane might be considered "gloryfication", a museum will likely avoid this legal grey area.
I also live in Germany and don’t need wikipedia to see and feel the deep hole by group guilt and ongoing hypersensitivity around WWII. The bureaucracy and many rules and laws result in reality that no swastika is seen in musea. German history/museum people delivered material to a dutch museum for an exposition about nazi architecture and were astonished this was simply allowed to be shown to the public.
As woke makes actual happened history being wiped out I collect memorabilia from many wrong regimes to avoid history being rewritten. Therefor I know first hand that swastikas are dangerous in Germany. Personally I don't have any problem with actual happened history as the war really happened and many family members had a very hard time or were murdered. The war has made an enormous impact on how they coped with things and they made their children inherit such feelings. For example my father was a young boy then that passed by an execution of several people and was forced to watch that. He never told me anything but he was interviewed by a journalist that told me astonishing things. Many were sent to Germany to work as forced laborers.
He was there when Dachau was liberated. He hated the nazis but was negative about the liberators too. I did not know about the controversy regarding Dachau and wish I had asked him more about what happened there. I only know he said the people guarding the camp the last days were not the criminals that had been their violent and terrible guards and that inmates got weapons from liberators to shoot exactly these guards.
As woke makes actual happened history being wiped out I collect memorabilia from many wrong regimes to avoid history being rewritten. Therefor I know first hand that swastikas are dangerous in Germany. Personally I don't have any problem with actual happened history as the war really happened and many family members had a very hard time or were murdered. The war has made an enormous impact on how they coped with things and they made their children inherit such feelings. For example my father was a young boy then that passed by an execution of several people and was forced to watch that. He never told me anything but he was interviewed by a journalist that told me astonishing things. Many were sent to Germany to work as forced laborers.
A not so long ago deceased uncle had been in Dachau as a 16 year old boy in 1944 and survived. He never spoke of his experiences but only just before his death he started speaking about his war experiences. He gave me a suitcase with his forced labour passport (denazified so with removed swastika) and other stuff.The problem with history is that it was written by the winners, Eisenhower didn't look good either after what he did to the german POWs along the banks of the Rhine ('Other Losses' by James Bacque), but all the shiny war films show 'us' as the good guys.
He was there when Dachau was liberated. He hated the nazis but was negative about the liberators too. I did not know about the controversy regarding Dachau and wish I had asked him more about what happened there. I only know he said the people guarding the camp the last days were not the criminals that had been their violent and terrible guards and that inmates got weapons from liberators to shoot exactly these guards.
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Agreed on many points. Problems always come from ignoring the past and truth, woke especially. Hiding the past results in lies, as also what the "winners" in any war write.
Acknowledging the truth would go a long way to making the world a far better place and more fair to everyone. Not that fair doesn't mean nice for some. If a group of people act badly, they ought to reap their rewards and suffer the consequences. Just like how your parents should have raised you.
Acknowledging the truth would go a long way to making the world a far better place and more fair to everyone. Not that fair doesn't mean nice for some. If a group of people act badly, they ought to reap their rewards and suffer the consequences. Just like how your parents should have raised you.
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